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    post all illustrations, images, and other reference materials here

    [Ahiga: I will start editing this first post and trying to catagorize some of the additions. These are made up of contributed material from everyone here. This way we can quickly access stuff and not have to search through. Be sure to click on thumbnails]

    Websites
    http://www.outpostwargameservices.co...lamgallery.htm - Muslim Wargame Minatures.
    http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc..._clothing.html
    http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/archery.html

    Military Units [Skins & Models]

    Arabs
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    Bedouin Warriors

    Arab Swordsmen

    Afghans
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    They are from the time of the gun (Up to the 1800s), but I believe the Afghans really didn't change their look too much over the centuries.






    Byzantine
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    stratiotai

    latinikon

    scythikon

    Daylami
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    From Invasio Barbaroum, though this is set at least half a milenna before ours (And pretty much an entire millenia before our end date)



    The shields help give an idea for how they should look.


    Ghaznavid
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    - difficult to make up, but seems like lamellar on one, either mail or some sort of padded leather/cloth on the other.

    http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_115_figure_1.htm


    Georgians
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    "Tadzreuli, on the Georgian verbatim indicates - "knight-templar". These are soldier, the servant of the holy apostolic church of Georgia. Georgian church as one of the rich classes in XII-XV c. centuries in the Georgian reign, subordinated the big enough number of small nobles – aznaurs, free mens and peasants. The servants of the church of aznaury protected church and faith, correctly served the tsar and the native land. Gradually, in the highly developed feudal society of Georgia, in XII-XIII c. explosives, tadzreuli became military class. To tadzreuli elite infantrymen by the Georgian of army, the knights of the honors, always ready life to return for the faith, the native land and for the tsar. They the well trained and well equipped, very experienced soldiers, strong by spirit, without are sorrowful to the enemies of Georgia and Christianity, but they are virtuous to the simple people, them all love and respect on this, and enemies feel trembling before their persistent view."


    Egypt
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    *Mameluke*






    India
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    Kwarizmian/Transoxanian/Persian
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    Khwarizmian:





    Persian:







    Mongols/Ilkhanid/Timurid
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    Mongol

















    Ilkhanid





    Timurid







    Ottoman
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    Early Ottoman





    Late Ottoman




    serb knight


    Seljuk Turk
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    Here's those Mongol pictures again.

    http://s62.photobucket.com/albums/h8...sprey/Mongols/

    Hopefully the link works, it should be shared.

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    Bedouin Warriors


    Arab Swordsmen
    Last edited by Ahiga; April 12, 2007 at 01:38 AM.

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    I found this image to be rather interesting, given the not so obviously middle eastern look of the cavalry.

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    EDIT - My bad, looks like the Bedouin Warriors are already in the Abbassid Roster, rock on.
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    http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=134

    Thought that Caius's great mod could offer some inspiration for units, since he did take inspiration from Osprey's records on Saladin and the near east.

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    Yeah, AlphaDelta has been looking through them and the Chivalry Total War units too.


    Here's a thread that I found:

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81722

    They have some interesting Muslim units that they are making as mercs.





    I like the idea of African mercs.



    The Hashashin models on the left has much potential.



    Basicall Generals and Captains turned into units. Don't really like the clone armies and they're way too out there. But the middle archer looks like a good Arab archer to put in the abbasid roster.




    I really like these two. Persian heavy cav and Persian heavy spearmen. They second should definitely be added to the Khwarezm's roster.

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    Wow. Those are really nice, especially the aztec-african reskin.

    The Persian ones are really nice too.

    I had a thought. I really love the polearm infantry in MTWII and if we feature realcombat, they will gain a real importance (As they operate very effectively as 'can openers' to armor). I know they did use polearms in the near east, but I'm uncertain about how, when, and if they were too different from the current ones. The only two cultures I know of using them were the Rum turks and the Mamlukes, but it did say the Daylami used 'battleaxes'. Do you know anything about the Khwarezmeanids and Abbassids and others using them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahiga View Post
    I had a thought. I really love the polearm infantry in MTWII and if we feature realcombat, they will gain a real importance (As they operate very effectively as 'can openers' to armor). I know they did use polearms in the near east, but I'm uncertain about how, when, and if they were too different from the current ones. The only two cultures I know of using them were the Rum turks and the Mamlukes, but it did say the Daylami used 'battleaxes'. Do you know anything about the Khwarezmeanids and Abbassids and others using them?
    Hmm, I have no clue if they did. They definitely used halberds, something we've kind of forgot about and might add more variety (jannisary style infantry for afghans in the ghazni roster perhaps). But polearms will need more research for sure.

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    Those are great, especially the last Armored Spearmen.

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    Pictures for your work and your dreams

    Again, spoilers added because of length, but thank you for these invaluable pictures.

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    my new version for Tadzreuli and new description:



    "Tadzreuli, on the Georgian verbatim indicates - "knight-templar". These are soldier, the servant of the holy apostolic church of Georgia. Georgian church as one of the rich classes in XII-XV c. centuries in the Georgian reign, subordinated the big enough number of small nobles – aznaurs, free mens and peasants. The servants of the church of aznaury protected church and faith, correctly served the tsar and the native land. Gradually, in the highly developed feudal society of Georgia, in XII-XIII c. explosives, tadzreuli became military class. To tadzreuli elite infantrymen by the Georgian of army, the knights of the honors, always ready life to return for the faith, the native land and for the tsar. They the well trained and well equipped, very experienced soldiers, strong by spirit, without are sorrowful to the enemies of Georgia and Christianity, but they are virtuous to the simple people, them all love and respect on this, and enemies feel trembling before their persistent view."
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    Very good site which defines the various kingdom and unit flags from medieval period. I am posting these Islamic banners, but follow the link for mass of other cool banners and flags.
    Besides, they seem to be historically accurate.

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    full link:
    http://www.krigsspil.dk/download/download_2.html




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    Excellent! Thanks Strelac. We really need as many Muslim related symbol/flags as we can get our hands on. We'll definitely use stuff like that for flags or symbols and even on units skins (shields, helmets).

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    Units draw

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    Khwarizmian












    Egyptian









    Late egyptian or mamlouk










    Jerusalem




    turcopole









    Cusader stats

    knight of saint john on Cyprus


    cavalry
    of saint john on Cyprus


    crossbowman
    of saint john on Cyprus


    knight of saint jhon on Rhodes


    Spearman of saint jhon on Rhodes


    crossbowman
    of saint jhon on Rhodes








    Islamic persian















    Byzantine


    stratiotai


    latinikon


    scythikon






    Mongol
















    Ilkhanid












    Timurid














    Early Ottoman













    Late Ottoman







    serb knight







    Seljuk Turkish













    HAVE FUN


    I added them under spoilers because of the length. Thank you for posting these Khalid. - Ahiga


    Units painted Byzantine Empire

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    Painted Mongol

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    walid, I don't know if is my machine, but I cannot see the drawings under the first spoiler. Only the names of the factions show up but no pictures???
    Can you look into that.

    Otherwise, great job in collecting all those drawings. + rep to you.

    Strelac
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    khaled.ibn.walid, loved those pics. Especially loved the one of the Mongols on the Asian camels. I'm betting that a unit of Mongol Archers, mounted on camels doing a circle firing would be devestating, as the camels frighten horses and the archers rain death down upon their enemies. Great find!!
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    Thanks !
    Strelac you can show spoiler and clik on the URL to see the picture, I think it's possible because I can do it.
    And CelticPagan good luck to introduce mongol camels into MTW2 !

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    heres something


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