FACTION: The Kypchak Confederacy

[Tadzreuli]

another Kypchag horsemen -

[Eraser]

nice pic Tadz, very colorful!

[Sinan]

Great pic. Wondering about the salute though.

[Russ Mitchell]

Turkic. I don't speak any, but I know a guy who speaks a little, and the linguistic undercurrent is NOT Mongolian or Mongol-derived, and usable as lingua franca across the western steppes.

[Sinan]

Cool.

[Russ Mitchell]

Oh, side note: IF you can get the models to work, these guys (Kypcaq/Cumans) were known for the interchangeable use of lance and bow. While auxiliary horse archers might be standoff fighters, similar to Turcomans, the mainline Cuman army expected to mix it up at all ranges.

(I have an article on this hopefully coming out next year, it's pre-publication, but if I can get a privacy promise, I'll email to any of your mod guys.)

[Sinan]

That's a bit like asking a drunkard if he wants a drink, if you catch my drift.

[Miraj]

I have one request for these guys... names. These are the last remaining faction without names properly implemented. Largely because I have no clue. Any ideas?

[Ahiga]

Purely Turkish (No Muslim influence) names?

[Russ Mitchell]

Not Turkish, Turk-IC. Ghuzz, Tatar, Cuman, Volga Bulgar, any of those -- the steppes are fluid. But not Seljuk-type.

[Miraj]

Would you know of any good sources?

[teh.frickin.pope]

From Khazaria.com, it shouldn't be that much of a leap to use some for the Kypchak, well maybe not the hebrew ones.

Male Khazarian names

Turkic names:
Alp (means "hero")1
Baghatur (means "brave warrior")2
Balgitzi, Belgichi, Bälgichi, Balghichi3
Barjik4
Bashtu, Bashtwa15
Bihor, Biheros, Bihar, Virhor5
Bugha (means "bull")62
Bulan (means "elk")6
Bulchan, Buljan, Bluchan7
Buzer, Busir, Bazir8
Chat9
Chat`n10
Chorpan (means "star")11
Itakh (means "puppy")12
Kayghalagh, Kayqalagh64
Khatir, Khadir, Qadir13
Khuterkin, Quterkin (means "chief with heavenly good fortune")66
Kisa14
Kundajiq, Kundaj16
Mänär17
Mänäs18
Ötemish65
Papatzys61
Samsam, Simsam21
Tarkhan (normally a title; means "general" or "commander")22
Tarmach23
Tuzniq63
Yilig, Ilig25
Ziebil (probably equal to the title Yabghu, Jebghu)26

Hebrew names:
Aharon, Aaron27
Amram28
Avraham, Abraham29
Benyamin30
David31
Hanukkah32
Hezekiah33
Menakhem, Menahem34
Menashe35
Nisi, Nissi36
Obadiah, Ovadiah37
Pesakh, Pesah38
Reuven, Reuben39
Sabriel40
Shmuel41
Simson42
Sinai43
Yaakov45
Yehudah46
Yitzhak47
Yosef48
Zebulun, Zavulon49
Zechariah, Zachariah, Zecharias50

Slavic names:
Gostyata, Gostata51
Ivan52

Other names:
George, Georgios, Georgius53
Kupin, Kufin54
Morut, Marót19
Menumorut, Menmarót, Mënü Marót20
Zambri, Zambrios55
Zoilus, Zoilos56
Kibar44

Female Khazarian names

Turkic names:
Chichek, Chichäk (means "flower")57
Khatun (normally a title; means "lady" or "queen")58
Parsbit, Barsbek (also a male name)59

[Miraj]

Ahhh, very smart man. Khazar were themselves a turkic peoples so names should be a good approxiamation.

Thanks Pope!

[teh.frickin.pope]

No problem, anything I can do to help, I will; unless it's too hard, I am kinda lazy .

[AdmiringtheEnemyeh?]

Wow cool! Nice find man. + Rep

Lol yea i dont think youd be finding a kypchak named Abraham.

Edit: Crimeian Tartar is the closest you can find to Cuman, which is extinct.

[Russ Mitchell]

There were actually a few speakers hanging around about fifty years ago (including a promising young scholar who sadly died, who showed up at a medieval department unable to speak a word of latin, but who somehow actually spoke Avar (which is still hanging on, barely, in Russia) and Cuman, but yeah, it's pretty much gone.


The Khazaria list isn't bad... but the Hebrew names shouldn't be used, or else should be used VERY sparingly. The Khazar kaganate was wiped out, and the rulers' stratum which used those names either disappeared or else was assimilated elsewhere.

I would suggest using a better list of names, with context noted, *here.*

[teh.frickin.pope]

The thing about the Kypchaks is that you guys are using them to represent the dozen or so assimilated steppe cultures, so you could have a few slavic names, a few russian, turkic, georgian, magyar, etc.

[Russ Mitchell]

Bingo! Got it in one. That's why I suggested the list that I did. Check it out -- you'll see it does exactly what you've suggested, with labels, so you can pick, choose, and throw out the stuff you don't like (e.g., no Bathory's for the kipcaq!)

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Manas a Great NON-MUSLIM NAME, MANAS KHAN, KHAN of the Kirghize

[Boztorgai_Khan]

From Khazaria.com, it shouldn't be that much of a leap to use some for the Kypchak, well maybe not the hebrew ones.

Male Khazarian names
 
Turkic names:
Alp (means "hero")1
Baghatur (means "brave warrior")2
Balgitzi, Belgichi, Bälgichi, Balghichi3
Barjik4
Bashtu, Bashtwa15
Bihor, Biheros, Bihar, Virhor5
Bugha (means "bull")62
Bulan (means "elk")6
Bulchan, Buljan, Bluchan7
Buzer, Busir, Bazir8
Chat9
Chat`n10
Chorpan (means "star")11
Itakh (means "puppy")12
Kayghalagh, Kayqalagh64
Khatir, Khadir, Qadir13
Khuterkin, Quterkin (means "chief with heavenly good fortune")66
Kisa14
Kundajiq, Kundaj16
Mänär17
Mänäs18
Ötemish65
Papatzys61
Samsam, Simsam21
Tarkhan (normally a title; means "general" or "commander")22
Tarmach23
Tuzniq63
Yilig, Ilig25
Ziebil (probably equal to the title Yabghu, Jebghu)26
 
Hebrew names:
Aharon, Aaron27
Amram28
Avraham, Abraham29
Benyamin30
David31
Hanukkah32
Hezekiah33
Menakhem, Menahem34
Menashe35
Nisi, Nissi36
Obadiah, Ovadiah37
Pesakh, Pesah38
Reuven, Reuben39
Sabriel40
Shmuel41
Simson42
Sinai43
Yaakov45
Yehudah46
Yitzhak47
Yosef48
Zebulun, Zavulon49
Zechariah, Zachariah, Zecharias50
 
Slavic names:
Gostyata, Gostata51
Ivan52
 
Other names:
George, Georgios, Georgius53
Kupin, Kufin54
Morut, Marót19
Menumorut, Menmarót, Mënü Marót20
Zambri, Zambrios55
Zoilus, Zoilos56
Kibar44
 
Female Khazarian names
 
Turkic names:
Chichek, Chichäk (means "flower")57
Khatun (normally a title; means "lady" or "queen")58
Parsbit, Barsbek (also a male name)59

I have more Names, as you will

Khatir, Khadir, Qadir13 <<< That is Muslim Name and Arabic..