[ORIGINAL THREAD] BROKEN CRESCENT: Total War in the MidEast

[Miraj]

You could theoretically have the Ottomans scripted to emerge at some point in western asia minor, in the 14th century, but it'd have to be conditional on rebel control of certain cities or somesuch.

Let's leave such complicated things for later version methinks

Yeah, the emergent faction thing is something with great potential. But I need to learn more about it. It depends on how versatile the conditions of faction emergence is. If it allows me to script emergences based on actual game events (ie certain faction destroyed, certain city taken by certain faction etc) then I will seek to implement such things and thus many other faction.



Okay, I was just doing some regions in the Caucusus. All you Georgians/Armenians tell me if this all is okay for region, historically and all.

Sokhumi, Georgian coastal city


The ancient Armenian city of Ani and the Georgian city of Kutaisi


Tbilisi, Georgian capital


The Azeri cities of Baku and Ganja


Armenian lands of Yervan and Lake Van


Erzurum and Trabzan - Byzantine territories (a typo in one of the files caused the mispelling of Erzurum on the map here, will be fixed)

[Axeman]

I know your busy, but if I can get some modded skins for the Nahillio Calphiate will you impliment them.

This is the unit list I have come up for with the Nahillio Caphiate

General's Bodygaurd
Tarueg Camel Spearmen
Tarueg Cavlary
Dismounted Tarueg Spearmen
Lutama Spearmen
Lutama Archers
Lutama Warriors
Berber Spearmen
Berber Cavalary
Berber Javelinman
Sudaneese Trbesman
Sudaneese Warriors
Sudaneese Archers
Sudaneese Gunners
Crossbow Malita
Spear Malita
Town Malita
Ethiopian Cavlary
Ethiopian Javelinman
Ethiopian Highalanders

[Axeman]

While I do that im also going to use hte map to show where some noteable mercenary units should be recruited

[Miraj]

Like i've said already the scope of this mod is very well defined at this point for the first version anyways. The main spirit behind this mod is not to include too many minor factions.

If you can obtain skins I would be very happy to incorporate those units as mercenaries and rebels in Africa and south Arabia, but the "nahillio caliphate" is far too obscure and historically questionable of a faction to include (i can't find any info on them or the 'empire of aden'). So I probably won't consider including any such new faction for the first cycle. It's all about priorities now.

[John I Tzimisces]

I was at first going to suggest replacing Yerevan with Dvin, but then I checked and realized Dvin was erased from importance by the mongols around 1230.

Erevan is certainly suitable, as the various powers who occupied the city all maintained a mint there, although around 1600 AD thousands of armenians were deported to persia from there leaving the city with only 20 percent armenians.

I would be tempted to rename Erzerum "Karin", but since the region was generally Turkish dominated I am reluctant to say it should be.

It's late...will have maybe other suggestions at a later time.

(whoops. Erevan and Yerevan are the same thing. Both are technically right. I have a habit of typing Erevan however. Erivan is another name but it is not properly transliterated armenian)

[Ahiga]

I actually don't know what "realcombat" is. Is it some sort of minor mod for battles?

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ght=realcombat

It doesn't seem to be loading for me but that's just TWC.

For some reason the first page refuses to load.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...t=82671&page=2

Basically, it's a method of giving armor and attack scores to units thats rather extensive (I think he had a sort of formula for it) and with the mod, you see a real division in your units. No longer can spearmen drop knights as fast as a two handed axe/halberd unit. Armor piercing or slower weapons have a real use.

[JERUSALEM]

what is Nahillio Calphiate ?

[AlphaDelta]

Okay, I will include Tarus and Sis. Do you have any idea why the vanilla version included Adana instead of Tarsus?

Possibly a city vs castle decision.

The map is looking better and better.

Here is my proposed unit roster for Armenia and Jerusalem. Jerusalems roster will be recruitable by Armenia through high tier buildings later in the campaign.

Armenian - Colour scheme brown/gold/red
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Caucasian Mountaineers (spear + rect shield)

Caucasian Mountaineer archers (bow + shield on back)

Armenian Border spearmen (spear + rect shield)

Armenian Border axemen (axe + round shield)

Armenian Infantry (sword + heater + medium armour)

Armenian Spearmen (spear + kite + medium armour)

Armenian archers (bow)

Didebuls (Early)

Naxarar (Early)

Heavy Armenian cavalary

Jerusalem/Crusader - Colour scheme white/red/black
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Latin Auxilia spearmen

Latin Auxilia armoured spearmen

Latin Auxilia swordsmen

Latin Auxilia armoured swordsmen

Latin Auxilia Crossbowmen

Templar Knights

Teutonic Knights

Hospitalier Knights

Cheers

[AlphaDelta]

Ok the Armenian roster so far.
Caucasian Mountaineer spearmen



Caucasian Mountaineer archers



Armenian Border spearmen



Armenian Border axemen



Cheers

[JERUSALEM]

they look real
have u finished Armenians ?
or u need some more units to do?

[AlphaDelta]

Read the post before my previous post for the proposed Armenian roster.

or u need some more units to do?

I need more reference pictures for those units.

Cheers

[Janissary]

You could theoretically have the Ottomans scripted to emerge at some point in western asia minor, in the 14th century, but it'd have to be conditional on rebel control of certain cities or somesuch.

Let's leave such complicated things for later version methinks

13th century.

[Serious Spamurai]

This mod looks very promising, I'll be watching this thread closely. Good luck.

[Stalins Ghost]

Hadn't noticed your work on this before now mirage, but I have to say, I'm pretty damn impressed! Looks like you've not only opted to implement a crucially overlooked region, but the progress so far is looking impressive indeed! Well done

[Miraj]

Hey AlphaDelta,

As usual the skins are looking amazing. And the factions units rosters for Jerusalem and Armenia gets my thumbs up. However could you add "Turkopoles" to the Jerusalem roster, they were basically Christianized Turks serving the Crusaders - horse archer units, definitely more expensive for Jerusalem.

I surpised how fast you can finish some pretty good quality skins, I would be pretty slow at the most basic skin changes! Good work!

[Drtad]

Erzurum and Trabzan - Byzantine territories (a typo in one of the files caused the mispelling of Erzurum on the map here, will be fixed)

I think that at this time, Trabzon was known as Trebizond.

Okay, I will include Tarus and Sis. Do you have any idea why the vanilla version included Adana instead of Tarsus?

Adana was Ancient Cilicia's capital, at the time of the Persians. I guess thay didn't do much research after that.:hmmm:

[Tadzreuli]

about map of Caucasian regions. I just changed your maps regions borders by historycal accurace (1175 ad), look at:



I used this historyan map:

http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?i...rtamro1te1.jpg

[Miraj]

I think that at this time, Trabzon was known as Trebizond.

Good point, I was looking that off a modern map. So Trebizond is what, say, a greek person would have pronounced it at this time? It will be under Byz control, so I will change the name duly.


@Tadzrueli

Thanks for the new map. I don't think I will add all those cities, well not Artanuju anyways. It will conlflict with some other existing cities and I don't want that many provinces for now. I've already added "Derbent" (Daruband).

[Tadzreuli]

@Tadzrueli

Thanks for the new map. I don't think I will add all those cities, well not Artanuju anyways. It will conlflict with some other existing cities and I don't want that many provinces for now. I've already added "Derbent" (Daruband).

ok, this is new map, as u request:

I just united Artanuji and Imereti region in my old map and rename Tskhumi as Nicophsia ( Jiqeti region capital city).

now for Kingdom of Georgia we have 3 native Georgian and 2 armenian region for the mod:

1. Egrisi - Kutatisi
2. Kartli -Tbilisi (Capital of Georgia)
3. Jiqeti - Nicophsia.

+ not Georgian native lands:

4. Dvin
5. Ani

in 1175 ad Armenian citys Dvin and Ani also were included in Georgian crown lands.

http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?i...rtamro1te1.jpg

[AlphaDelta]

Dismounted Naxarar lancers



Cheers