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    Icon14 PAPAL Character Names

    Faction: Papal States
    Status: Complete
    Total Names: N/A (Only included regnal Papal names)
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    Last edited by deRougemont; April 12, 2007 at 02:36 AM.






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    Default Re: Character Names for the PAPAL STATES

    Popes between 1073-1503
    Gregory VII, 1073-1085
    (Clement III, 1080 and 1084-1100)
    Victor III, 1086-1087
    Urban II, 1088-1099
    Paschal II, 1099- 1118
    (Theodoric. 1100)
    (Albert, 1102)
    (Sylvester lV. 1105-1111
    Gelasius II, 1118-1119
    (Gregory VIII, 1118--1121 )
    Calixtus 1119-1124
    Honorius 1124-1130
    Innocent II, 1130-1143
    (Anacletus II, I130-1138)
    Celestine II, 1143-1144
    Lucius II, 1144-1145
    Eugenius III, 1145-1153
    Anastasius IV, 1153-1154
    Adrian IV, 1154-1159
    Alexander III, 1159-1181
    (Victor IV, 1159-1164)
    (Paschal III, 1164-1168
    (Calixtus III, 1168-1178)
    (Innocent III, 1179-1180)
    Lucius III, 1181-1185
    Urban III, 1185-1187
    Gregory VIII, 1187
    Clement III, 1187-1191
    Celestine III, 1191--1198
    Innocent III, 1198-1216
    Honorius III, 1216-1227
    Gregory IX, 1227-1241
    Celestine IV, 1241
    Innocent IV, 1243-1254
    Alexander IV. 1254-1261
    Urban IV, 1261---1264
    Clement IV, 1265-1268
    Gregorv X. 1271--1276
    Innocent V. 1276
    Adrian V, 1276
    John XXI, 1276-1277
    Nicholas lll 1277-1280
    Martin IV, 1281-1285'
    Honorius IV, 1285-1287
    Nicholas IV, 1288-1292
    Celestine V, 1294
    Boniface VIII, 1294-1303
    Benedict XI, 1303-1304
    Clement V, 1305-1314
    John XXII, 1316-1334
    Benedict XII, 1334-1342
    Clement VI, 1342-1352
    Innocent VI, 1352-1362
    Urban V, 1362-1370
    Gregory XI, 1370-1378
    Urban VI, 1378-1389
    Clement VII, 1378-1394
    Boniface IX, 1389-1404
    Benedict XIII, 1394-1423
    Innocent VII, 1404-1406
    Gregory XII, 1406-1415
    (Alexander V, 1409-1410)
    (John XXIII, 1410-1415)
    Martin V, 1417-1431
    (Clement VIII, 1423-1429)
    (Benedict XIV, 1425-1430?)
    Eugenius IV, 1431-1447
    Felix V, 1439-1449)
    Nicholas V, 1447-1455
    Calixtus III, 1455-1458
    Pius II, 1458-1464
    Paul II, 1464-1471
    Sixtus IV, 1471-1484
    Innocent VIII, 1484-1492
    Alexander VI, 1492-1503

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    Default Re: PAPAL Character Names

    I'm posting the beginning of the Papal States character list. As far as first names are concerned, I think its best to use only latinized names of popes, since this is the onc character that everyone is always interested in. The generals for the Papal States will receive these popish names too, but theres nothing we can do about that. Besides there are so few generals for the Papal States, it shouldnt matter much anyway.

    I've listed all the names for latin popes from about 1550 to the beginning of the church. I think this is ok because the Papacy has a strong tradition of using names from very early Popes. Thus, in the game we can assume that each Pope could use a name from earlier Popes that were never historically chosen by actual medieval Popes. It just depended on the person, so all historical papal names are game:

    faction: papal states
    characters
    Adeodatus
    Agapetus
    Agatho
    Alexander
    Anastasius
    Bendedictus
    Bonifacius
    Caius
    Callistus
    Clemens
    Coelestinus
    Constantinus
    Cornelius
    Damasus
    Eugenius
    Eusebius
    Fabianus
    Felix
    Gelasius
    Gregorius
    Hadrianus
    Hilarius
    Honorius
    Hormisdus
    Innocentius
    Ioannes
    Iulius
    Lando
    Leo
    Liberius
    Lucius
    Marcellus
    Marcus
    Marinus
    Martinus
    Nicolaus
    Paschalis
    Paulus
    Pelagius
    Petrus
    Pius
    Pontianus
    Romanus
    Sergius
    Severinus
    Silvester
    Silverius
    Simplicius
    Siricius
    Sisinnius
    Soterius
    Stephanus
    Symmachus
    Theodorus
    Urbanus
    Valentinus
    Victor
    Vigilius
    Vitalianus
    Xystus
    Zacharias
    Zosimus
    Last edited by deRougemont; February 27, 2007 at 04:11 PM.






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    I'd restrict the names of the Popes starting from about 800. Earliest names are roman names, then most Popes came from the eastern Empire and they were of greek origin so those names were never used anymore in the timeframe we're considering.

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    After looking back through it, I agree. When I get back to this list I'll get rid of the early Papal names. What I want to know is where on god's good green earth CA found their Pope names. Just terrible, not even ballpark...

    Quote Originally Posted by Re Berengario I View Post
    I'd restrict the names of the Popes starting from about 800. Earliest names are roman names, then most Popes came from the eastern Empire and they were of greek origin so those names were never used anymore in the timeframe we're considering.






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    Actually they just choosed commoners' names used in Tuscany in late middle-age.

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    What do you think of my idea of only using Papal names for first names? That means the generals and other characters (diplomats, merchants) will have Pope names too. But, I think most people don't pay attention to those charaters in the case of the Papal States. Since we have to chose, I would rather the lowly characters get misnamed and the Popes get correct names. The Popes are such a big part of the game after all... Thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Re Berengario I View Post
    Actually they just choosed commoners' names used in Tuscany in late middle-age.
    Last edited by deRougemont; March 02, 2007 at 05:11 PM.






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    Personally I'd use the full papal name; if not for historical correctness at least for a greater mood and feel, it's basically the difference of reading:

    Pope Severinus

    and

    Pope Benedict XII

    I'd keep the full nomenclature, even the numerical part is OK because they aren't given number according to order but according to how many of the same name have appeared before.
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    Alright, so here are all the Popes who held down the fort in Rome from 1080-1530 (66 people):

    Alexander III
    Alexander IV
    Alexander VI
    Anastasius IV
    Benedictus XI
    Benedictus XII
    Bonifacius IX
    Bonifacius VIII
    Callistus II
    Callistus III
    Clemens III
    Clemens IV
    Clemens V
    Clemens VI
    Clemens VII
    Coelestinus II
    Coelestinus III
    Coelestinus IV
    Coelestinus V
    Eugenius III
    Eugenius IV
    Eugenius IV
    Gelasius II
    Gregorius IX
    Gregorius VII
    Gregorius VIII
    Gregorius X
    Gregorius XI
    Gregorius XII
    Hadrianus IV
    Hadrianus V
    Hadrianus VI
    Honorius II
    Honorius III
    Honorius IV
    Innocentius II
    Innocentius III
    Innocentius IV
    Innocentius V
    Innocentius VI
    Innocentius VII
    Innocentius VIII
    Ioannes XXI
    Ioannes XXII
    Iulius II
    Leo X
    Lucius II
    Lucius III
    Martinus IV
    Martinus V
    Martinus V
    Nicolaus III
    Nicolaus IV
    Nicolaus V
    Paschalis II
    Paulus II
    Paulus III
    Pius II
    Pius III
    Urbanus II
    Urbanus III
    Urbanus IV
    Urbanus V
    Urbanus VI
    Victor III
    Xystus IV

    These are their "regnal" names, which I believe they used in formal situations such as excommunicating us bad players. These will be the only male first names in the game. Any objections?






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    I may be wrong but shouldent you include all pope names even leading up to modern times. I thought that when you became pope you had to choose a name based on your favourite saint or previous pope thus any saint form the pre medieval period is perfectly acceptable and accurate. Just becasue a name wasnet in the vouge doesnt mean some of our "alternate" popes couldent chose them

    thus

    Pope Names Medieval

    Aaron
    Abban
    Abdas
    Abdecalas
    Abdon
    Abraham
    Acathius
    Acca
    Adeodatus
    Adrian
    Agapitus
    Agatho
    Alban
    Alcuin
    Alfred
    Ambrose
    Anacletus
    Anastasius
    Anicetus
    Antheros
    Athanasius
    Augustine

    That is most of the names in a do you want me to continue?
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    Default Re: PAPAL Character Names

    This is how I initially felt. However, most of the names not used during the Medieval period were previous Greek Papal names. I think it would be too much of a stretch to include these names. However, many of the older names are already on the list anyway.






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    Default Re: PAPAL Character Names

    Does the numeral follow strict order? It would not be cool to have a Gregorius XI after a Gregorius XII has appeared.

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    Unfortuantely it is impossible, we just have to live with the fact that Gregorius IX may succeed Gregorius XI, but most people don't even remember the last pope's name when the successor is declared.

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    Oh well, one can't have everything. The current names are waaay better than the previous ones, it is worth accepting the glitches.

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    for myself, i've added foreign first names in medieval latin; you know, pretending someone come from wherever to come and work for the pope. i noticed no one posted anything with regard to last names or bynames. i'm looking for names of noble families, and have found a few. here are some bynames i've used:

    Coxus, "the Lame"
    Calvus, "the Bald"
    Iustus, "the Just"
    Mendicus, "the Beggar"
    Flavus, "the Golden", "the Blond"
    Rufus, "the Red" (hair)
    Foedus, "the Ugly"

    Faber, "the Smith"

    also, again pretending that people were coming and going, i threw in some Achaicus, Graecus, Anglicus, Normannus, Siculus and such. when i have enough to replace the lot, i'll post them for whoever's interested.

    steph
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