MOORISH Character Names

**deRougemont** · February 18, 2007, 02:07 PM

Faction: Moors
Authors: Osiris, Averroës, Captain Black Adder & Serious Samurai
Status: Complete
Names: 460

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**Captain Blackadder** · March 12, 2007, 05:35 AM

hello i have a possible source for some Moorish names

http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/n...ic-naming2.htm

Male Names

Aban
Abbad
‘Abd al-Rahman
‘Abd Allah (Abdullah,Abdallah)
‘Abd al-Aziz
‘Abd al-Hamid
‘Abd al-Malik
‘Abd al-Zahir
‘Abdus
Ahmad
‘Ali
‘Allan
‘Alqamah
‘Ammar
‘Amr*
Anas
‘Aqil
‘Arubah
‘Asim
‘Ata’
Ayyub [Job]
Babak
Bakkar
Bakr
Bashshar
Baybars
Bilal
Bishr
Bundar
Da’ud [David]
Dabbah
Daffafah
Dahhak^
Damdam
Dirar
Durayd
Fadl*^
Farras
Fudayl
Ghalib
Ghassan
Habib
Hakam^
Hakim*
Hamdan
Hamdun
Hamid
Hammad
Hamzah
Harb
Harthamah
Harun (Haroun) [Aaron]
Hasan*^
Hashim
Hassan
Hilal
Hisham
Hujr
Humayd
Hunayn
Husayn^ Ibrahim [Abraham]
Idris
‘Imran
‘Isa (Isa) [Jesus]
Ishaq [Isaac]
Isma’il [Ishmael]
Iyas
Jabir
Ja’far
Jahm
Jibril [Gabriel]
Kamil
Khalaf
Khalid*
Khalil^
Khattab^
Khuzaymah
Labid
Lu’lu’
Ma’bad
Mahmud
Malik
Ma’n
Mansur
Ma’qil
Marwan
Maslamah
Maymun*
Mikha’il [Michael]
Mishal
Mu’adh
Mu’ammar
Mu’awiyah
Mughirah^
Muhammad [Mohammed]
Mujahid
Munqidh
Muqatil
Musa [Moses]
Muslim
Muzahim
Nafi’
Najdah
Nasr
Nuh [Noah]
Nusayr
Qatadah
Qays
Qudamah
Qurrah
Qutaybah
Rabi’a*
Rafi’
Ramadan
Rashid^
Rawh
Razin
Ru’bah
Sabur
Sa’d
Sa’dan Sadaqah
Sa’id
Safwan
Sahl*
Salamah*
Salih
Salim
Salm*
Sandi
Sawwar
Sayf
Shabib
Shahib
Shahid
Shahin
Shaybah
Shihab
Shu’ayb
Shuqayr
Sinan
Sufyan
Sulaym
Sulayman (Sulaiman, Suleiman) [Solomon]
Surayj
Tahir
Talhah
Talib
Tamman
Tawbah
Tha’lab
Thabit
Thawabah
Thawr
‘Ubayd
‘Ubayd Allah
‘Umar
‘Umarah
Umayyah
‘Unaynah
‘Uqbah
‘Urwah
Usama (Usamah)
‘Utbah*
‘Uthman
Wada’
Wahb
Wasil
Ya’qub (Yakub) [Jacob]
Yahya [John]
Yamin
Yazid
Yuhanna
Yunus [Jonah]
Yusuf [Joseph]
Zakariya’ [Zacharias]
Zayd
Ziyad
Zubayr^
Zuhayr^

**Averroës** · March 15, 2007, 07:57 AM

That's a good list, Captain Blackadder. It contains some names which are probably exclusive to the Middle East instead of the Moors, though. The SCA has another site, below, and there is a particularly Moorish name list there.

The Medieval Names Archive Moorish names list has information on names which appear in records of Andalusia from 700AD to 1200AD. Some of them are also exclusive to Magribi dialects and thus don't appear in many of the usual Arabic names lists.

I omitted the several male devotional names like Abd al-Aziz and names which were just duplicates with added devotionals, like Ubaid Allah and (female) Sitt al-Arab. They can be easily added back in, though. I also omitted Garsiyya and Zachariyya from the male names list because -iyya is a femine suffix and may indicate a mistranslation. And I omitted leading or trailing apostophes. Last names would usually end in -iyya for the female names; but the game won't allow us to specify male or female only last names; so I left them out of the list as well.

Male names:

{A_id}A'id
{Aban}Aban
{Abbad}Abbad
{Abbas}Abbas
{Abdu_llah}Abdu'llah
{Affan}Affan
{Aflah}Aflah
{Ahmad}Ahmad
{Ali}Ali
{Amira}Amira
{Amr}Amr
{Asad}Asad
{Asbag}Asbag
{Asbat}Asbat
{Asim}Asim
{Aslam}Aslam
{Atiq}Atiq
{Atta}Atta
{Attab}Attab
{Attiyah}Attiyah
{Ayman}Ayman
{Ayshun}Ayshun
{Ayyub}Ayyub
{Badr}Badr
{Bakr}Bakr
{Baqi}Baqi
{Da_ud}Da'ud
{Darras}Darras
{Fadl}Fadl
{Faris}Faris
{Farraj}Farraj
{Fath}Fath
{Galib}Galib
{Hafs}Hafs
{Hajib}Hajib
{Hajjaj}Hajjaj
{Hakam}Hakam
{Hamdin}Hamdin
{Hamdun}Hamdun
{Hamid}Hamid
{Hammad}Hammad
{Hani}Hani
{Harith}Harith
{Haroun}Haroun
{Harun}Harun
{Hasan}Hasan
{Hatim}Hatim
{Hayyan}Hayyan
{Hazm}Hazm
{Hisham}Hisham
{Humam}Humam
{Husain}Husain
{Ibrahim}Ibrahim
{Idris}Idris
{Isa}Isa
{Ishaq}Ishaq
{Isma_il}Isma'il
{Ja_far}Ja'far
{Ja_qub}Ja'qub
{Jabir}Jabir
{Jahhaf}Jahhaf
{Jahwar}Jahwar
{Jalaf}Jalaf
{Jalid}Jalid
{Jasib}Jasib
{Jattab}Jattab
{Jawar}Jawar
{Lubb}Lubb
{Mahbub}Mahbub
{Majlad}Majlad
{Makki}Makki
{Malik}Malik
{Mansur}Mansur
{Marwan}Marwan
{Marzuq}Marzuq
{Mas_ud}Mas'ud
{Masarra}Masarra
{Maslama}Maslama
{Mawhab}Mawhab
{Maymun}Maymun
{Miswar}Miswar
{Mu_awiya}Mu'awiya
{Mufarrij}Mufarrij
{Mufawwiz}Mufawwiz
{Muhammad}Muhammad
{Muharib}Muharib
{Mujahid}Mujahid
{Mundir}Mundir
{Mus_ab}Mus'ab
{Musa}Musa
{Mutarrif}Mutarrif
{Najah}Najah
{Najih}Najih
{Nasr}Nasr
{Nizar}Nizar
{Nuh}Nuh
{Nusayr}Nusayr
{Qasim}Qasim
{Qays}Qays
{Rabi}Rabi
{Rahhu}Rahhu
{Rashid}Rashid
{Razin}Razin
{Ridwan}Ridwan
{Rushd}Rushd
{Sa_d}Sa'd
{Sa_dan}Sa'dan
{Sa_dun}Sa'dun
{Sa_id}Sa'id
{Sabah}Sabah
{Safwan}Safwan
{Sahl}Sahl
{Sahr}Sahr
{Sajr*}Sajr*
{Salama}Salama
{Salih}Salih
{Salim}Salim
{Sawwar}Sawwar
{Sayyid}Sayyid
{Shakir}Shakir
{Shamir}Shamir
{Shu_ayb}Shu'ayb
{Shurayh}Shurayh
{Siraj}Siraj
{Sufyan}Sufyan
{Sulaiman}Sulaiman
{Sumayl}Sumayl
{Tabit}Tabit
{Tahir}Tahir
{Talha}Talha
{Tamim}Tamim
{Tammam}Tammam
{Tariq}Tariq
{Tasufin}Tasufin
{Tawd}Tawd
{Tayyib}Tayyib
{Ubada}Ubada
{Ubaid}Ubaid
{Ufayr}Ufayr
{Ulaym}Ulaym
{Umar}Umar
{Umayyah}Umayyah
{Usama}Usama
{Utba}Utba
{Uthman}Uthman
{Wadah}Wadah
{Wahb}Wahb
{Walid}Walid
{Wasil}Wasil
{Wasim}Wasim
{Ya_ish}Ya'ish
{Ya_qub}Ya'qub
{Yahyah}Yahyah
{Yazid}Yazid
{Yunus}Yunus
{Yusuf}Yusuf
{Zayd}Zayd
{Ziyad}Ziyad
{Zuhayr}Zuhayr
{Zuhr}Zuhr

Female names:

{A_isha}A'isha
{Amat}Amat
{Amina}Amina
{Asma}Asma
{Baraka}Baraka
{Bazzu}Bazzu
{Fatimah}Fatimah
{Hadija}Hadija
{Hafsa}Hafsa
{Hamda}Hamda
{Hamduna}Hamduna
{Hind}Hind
{Ishraq}Ishraq
{Jariya}Jariya
{Jawla}Jawla
{Judur}Judur
{Kitman}Kitman
{Lubna}Lubna
{Mahja}Mahja
{Maryam}Maryam
{Maymuna}Maymuna
{Nuzha}Nuzha
{Rima}Rima
{Safiyya}Safiyya
{Safya}Safya
{Sama}Sama
{Sara}Sara
{Sayyida}Sayyida
{Sitt}Sitt
{Su_a}Su'a
{Sukayna}Sukayna
{Suna}Suna
{Sut}Sut
{Ta_zunt}Ta'zunt
{Tamu}Tamu
{Urtatim}Urtatim
{Yamina}Yamina
{Yanduza}Yanduza
{Zannu}Zannu
{Zarru}Zarru
{Zaynab}Zaynab
{Zummurrud}Zummurrud

Bynames/surnames:

{al_Andalusi}al-Andalusi
{al_Isbili}al-Isbili
{al_Mari}al-Mari
{al_Mursi}al-Mursi
{al_Balansi}al-Balansi
{al_Jayyani}al-Jayyani
{al_Rundi}al-Rundi
{al_Qurtubi}al-Qurtubi
{al_Garnati}al-Garnati
{al_Mayurqui}al-Mayurqui
{al_Talamanki}al-Talamanki
{al_Tulaytuli}al-Tulaytuli
{al_Dani}al-Dani
{al_Ifriqi}al-Ifriqi
{al_Magribi}al-Magribi
{al_Tunayzi}al-Tunayzi
{al_Abbar}al-Abbar
{al_Abbas}al-Abbas
{al_Abdari}al-Abdari
{al_As}al-As
{al_Asadi}al-Asadi
{al_Ashjai}al-Ashjai
{al_Asili}al-Asili
{al_Attar}al-Attar
{al_Azdi}al-Azdi
{al_Bahrani}al-Bahrani
{al_Bajjani}al-Bajjani
{al_Baji}al-Baji
{al_Bakri}al-Bakri
{al_Batalyawsi}al-Batalyawsi
{al_Baytar}al-Baytar
{al_Bazzaz}al-Bazzaz
{al_Birzali}al-Birzali
{al_Dabbag}al-Dabbag
{al_Dabbaj}al-Dabbaj
{al_Fadl}al-Fadl
{al_Faradi}al-Faradi
{al_Farisi}al-Farisi
{al_Fath}al-Fath
{al_Fazari}al-Fazari
{al_Fihri}al-Fihri
{al_Gafiqi}al-Gafiqi
{al_Gasani}al-Gasani
{al_Habib}al-Habib
{al_Hadda}al-Hadda
{al_Haddad}al-Haddad
{al_Hadrami}al-Hadrami
{al_Hafiz}al-Hafiz
{al_Hajj}al-Hajj
{al_Hakam}al-Hakam
{al_Hamdani}al-Hamdani
{al_Hariti}al-Hariti
{al_Hassar}al-Hassar
{al_Hijari}al-Hijari
{al_Himsi}al-Himsi
{al_Himyari}al-Himyari
{al_Hubab}al-Hubab
{al_Ilbiri}al-Ilbiri
{al_Iyyadi}al-Iyyadi
{al_Jabab}al-Jabab
{al_Jasur}al-Jasur
{al_Jat_ami}al-Jat'ami
{al_Jawlan}al-Jawlan
{al_Jazrajii}al-Jazrajii
{al_Jilyani}al-Jilyani
{al_Judami}al-Judami
{al_Justani}al-Justani
{al_Kala_i}al-Kala'i
{al_Kinani}al-Kinani
{al_Kutami}al-Kutami
{al_Lajmi}al-Lajmi
{al_Ma_afiri}al-Ma'afiri
{al_Majid}al-Majid
{al_Majzumi}al-Majzumi
{al_Malaki}al-Malaki
{al_Qal_i}al-Qal'i
{al_Qasim}al-Qasim
{al_Qaysi}al-Qaysi
{al_Qurtubi}al-Qurtubi
{al_Ru_ayni}al-Ru'ayni
{al_Sabti}al-Sabti
{al_Sadafi}al-Sadafi
{al_Santarini}al-Santarini
{al_Sayyid}al-Sayyid
{al_Shafi_i}al-Shafi'i
{al_Shatibi}al-Shatibi
{al_Sinhaji}al-Sinhaji
{al_Sulami}al-Sulami
{al_Ta_labi}al-Ta'labi
{al_Tamini}al-Tamini
{al_Tarabulusi}al-Tarabulusi
{al_Tujibi}al-Tujibi
{al_Umawi}al-Umawi
{al_Undi}al-Undi
{al_Wahid}al-Wahid
{al_Wahrani}al-Wahrani
{al_Walid}al-Walid
{al_Zahiri}al-Zahiri
{al_Zubaydi}al-Zubaydi
{al_Zuhri}al-Zuhri

I can put the names into other formats, if you want, de Rougemont. I thought perhaps this format would make it easier for you to manipulate in a spreadsheet.

**deRougemont** · March 15, 2007, 11:53 AM

No, this is fine. Although, if you can find another site with Moorish names that would be great. I'd like to expand the surnames a bit more.

**Serious Spamurai** · March 15, 2007, 05:07 PM

Can't you add more variation to the surnames on that list, since most of those are just where the person is from. You could also add Ibn-XXXX names and also actual surnames, most people have a first and second name along with a title, eg Barzaan Ibrahim al-Tikriti. Although I suppose there is a limit to how far you can go with the names, which of course rules out names like: Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti. I must say that you are doing the community a great service with this project and I commend you for that

**deRougemont** · March 15, 2007, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Serious samurai

Can't you add more variation to the surnames on that list, since most of those are just where the person is from. You could also add Ibn-XXXX names and also actual surnames, most people have a first and second name along with a title, eg Barzaan Ibrahim al-Tikriti. Although I suppose there is a limit to how far you can go with the names, which of course rules out names like: Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti. I must say that you are doing the community a great service with this project and I commend you for that

It remains to be seen really what can be done with the Moorish surnames. I haven't personally searched for sources since the first release of names will include only Western factions. Although, I appreciate you pointing out these are all locative bynames, I wouldn't have known the difference. Duly noted...

And thanks for the support as always!

**Averroës** · March 16, 2007, 05:53 AM

I've tried and that SCA site is the only one with Moorish names. I liked it because the names listed are only those found in Andalusian records of the period.

I do want to point out, however, that only a small portion of those surnames are locative bynames. The ones up to al-Tunaysi are locative. The ones starting with al-A after that include other types of names, like al-Hajj ("someone who has been on the Hajj) or al-Fadl (which means "the reward") or al-Fath ("the opening"). Many others are family or tribal names.

One way to expand the surnames is to do as Serious Samurai has suggested and add in the ibn patronomials. A very good idea, indeed!

You can basically just take the entire male first names list and add them to last name list by adding ibn_ in front of them. I'll do it in Excel in a sec, replacing { with {ibn_ and } with }ibn_

More surnames:

{ibn_A_id}ibn_A'id
{ibn_Aban}ibn_Aban
{ibn_Abbad}ibn_Abbad
{ibn_Abbas}ibn_Abbas
{ibn_Abdu_llah}ibn_Abdu'llah
{ibn_Affan}ibn_Affan
{ibn_Aflah}ibn_Aflah
{ibn_Ahmad}ibn_Ahmad
{ibn_Ali}ibn_Ali
{ibn_Amira}ibn_Amira
{ibn_Amr}ibn_Amr
{ibn_Asad}ibn_Asad
{ibn_Asbag}ibn_Asbag
{ibn_Asbat}ibn_Asbat
{ibn_Asim}ibn_Asim
{ibn_Aslam}ibn_Aslam
{ibn_Atiq}ibn_Atiq
{ibn_Atta}ibn_Atta
{ibn_Attab}ibn_Attab
{ibn_Attiyah}ibn_Attiyah
{ibn_Ayman}ibn_Ayman
{ibn_Ayshun}ibn_Ayshun
{ibn_Ayyub}ibn_Ayyub
{ibn_Badr}ibn_Badr
{ibn_Bakr}ibn_Bakr
{ibn_Baqi}ibn_Baqi
{ibn_Da_ud}ibn_Da'ud
{ibn_Darras}ibn_Darras
{ibn_Fadl}ibn_Fadl
{ibn_Faris}ibn_Faris
{ibn_Farraj}ibn_Farraj
{ibn_Fath}ibn_Fath
{ibn_Galib}ibn_Galib
{ibn_Hafs}ibn_Hafs
{ibn_Hajib}ibn_Hajib
{ibn_Hajjaj}ibn_Hajjaj
{ibn_Hakam}ibn_Hakam
{ibn_Hamdin}ibn_Hamdin
{ibn_Hamdun}ibn_Hamdun
{ibn_Hamid}ibn_Hamid
{ibn_Hammad}ibn_Hammad
{ibn_Hani}ibn_Hani
{ibn_Harith}ibn_Harith
{ibn_Haroun}ibn_Haroun
{ibn_Harun}ibn_Harun
{ibn_Hasan}ibn_Hasan
{ibn_Hatim}ibn_Hatim
{ibn_Hayyan}ibn_Hayyan
{ibn_Hazm}ibn_Hazm
{ibn_Hisham}ibn_Hisham
{ibn_Humam}ibn_Humam
{ibn_Husain}ibn_Husain
{ibn_Ibrahim}ibn_Ibrahim
{ibn_Idris}ibn_Idris
{ibn_Isa}ibn_Isa
{ibn_Ishaq}ibn_Ishaq
{ibn_Isma_il}ibn_Isma'il
{ibn_Ja_far}ibn_Ja'far
{ibn_Ja_qub}ibn_Ja'qub
{ibn_Jabir}ibn_Jabir
{ibn_Jahhaf}ibn_Jahhaf
{ibn_Jahwar}ibn_Jahwar
{ibn_Jalaf}ibn_Jalaf
{ibn_Jalid}ibn_Jalid
{ibn_Jasib}ibn_Jasib
{ibn_Jattab}ibn_Jattab
{ibn_Jawar}ibn_Jawar
{ibn_Lubb}ibn_Lubb
{ibn_Mahbub}ibn_Mahbub
{ibn_Majlad}ibn_Majlad
{ibn_Makki}ibn_Makki
{ibn_Malik}ibn_Malik
{ibn_Mansur}ibn_Mansur
{ibn_Marwan}ibn_Marwan
{ibn_Marzuq}ibn_Marzuq
{ibn_Mas_ud}ibn_Mas'ud
{ibn_Masarra}ibn_Masarra
{ibn_Maslama}ibn_Maslama
{ibn_Mawhab}ibn_Mawhab
{ibn_Maymun}ibn_Maymun
{ibn_Miswar}ibn_Miswar
{ibn_Mu_awiya}ibn_Mu'awiya
{ibn_Mufarrij}ibn_Mufarrij
{ibn_Mufawwiz}ibn_Mufawwiz
{ibn_Muhammad}ibn_Muhammad
{ibn_Muharib}ibn_Muharib
{ibn_Mujahid}ibn_Mujahid
{ibn_Mundir}ibn_Mundir
{ibn_Mus_ab}ibn_Mus'ab
{ibn_Musa}ibn_Musa
{ibn_Mutarrif}ibn_Mutarrif
{ibn_Najah}ibn_Najah
{ibn_Najih}ibn_Najih
{ibn_Nasr}ibn_Nasr
{ibn_Nizar}ibn_Nizar
{ibn_Nuh}ibn_Nuh
{ibn_Nusayr}ibn_Nusayr
{ibn_Qasim}ibn_Qasim
{ibn_Qays}ibn_Qays
{ibn_Rabi}ibn_Rabi
{ibn_Rahhu}ibn_Rahhu
{ibn_Rashid}ibn_Rashid
{ibn_Razin}ibn_Razin
{ibn_Ridwan}ibn_Ridwan
{ibn_Rushd}ibn_Rushd
{ibn_Sa_d}ibn_Sa'd
{ibn_Sa_dan}ibn_Sa'dan
{ibn_Sa_dun}ibn_Sa'dun
{ibn_Sa_id}ibn_Sa'id
{ibn_Sabah}ibn_Sabah
{ibn_Safwan}ibn_Safwan
{ibn_Sahl}ibn_Sahl
{ibn_Sahr}ibn_Sahr
{ibn_Sajr*}ibn_Sajr*
{ibn_Salama}ibn_Salama
{ibn_Salih}ibn_Salih
{ibn_Salim}ibn_Salim
{ibn_Sawwar}ibn_Sawwar
{ibn_Sayyid}ibn_Sayyid
{ibn_Shakir}ibn_Shakir
{ibn_Shamir}ibn_Shamir
{ibn_Shu_ayb}ibn_Shu'ayb
{ibn_Shurayh}ibn_Shurayh
{ibn_Siraj}ibn_Siraj
{ibn_Sufyan}ibn_Sufyan
{ibn_Sulaiman}ibn_Sulaiman
{ibn_Sumayl}ibn_Sumayl
{ibn_Tabit}ibn_Tabit
{ibn_Tahir}ibn_Tahir
{ibn_Talha}ibn_Talha
{ibn_Tamim}ibn_Tamim
{ibn_Tammam}ibn_Tammam
{ibn_Tariq}ibn_Tariq
{ibn_Tasufin}ibn_Tasufin
{ibn_Tawd}ibn_Tawd
{ibn_Tayyib}ibn_Tayyib
{ibn_Ubada}ibn_Ubada
{ibn_Ubaid}ibn_Ubaid
{ibn_Ufayr}ibn_Ufayr
{ibn_Ulaym}ibn_Ulaym
{ibn_Umar}ibn_Umar
{ibn_Umayyah}ibn_Umayyah
{ibn_Usama}ibn_Usama
{ibn_Utba}ibn_Utba
{ibn_Uthman}ibn_Uthman
{ibn_Wadah}ibn_Wadah
{ibn_Wahb}ibn_Wahb
{ibn_Walid}ibn_Walid
{ibn_Wasil}ibn_Wasil
{ibn_Wasim}ibn_Wasim
{ibn_Ya_ish}ibn_Ya'ish
{ibn_Ya_qub}ibn_Ya'qub
{ibn_Yahyah}ibn_Yahyah
{ibn_Yazid}ibn_Yazid
{ibn_Yunus}ibn_Yunus
{ibn_Yusuf}ibn_Yusuf
{ibn_Zayd}ibn_Zayd
{ibn_Ziyad}ibn_Ziyad
{ibn_Zuhayr}ibn_Zuhayr
{ibn_Zuhr}ibn_Zuhr

There you go! 160 some odd more surnames in a flash! Great idea, Serious Samurai! So now along with getting a name like Abbas al-Magribi, you can get a name like Abbas ibn Yusuf or even Abbas ibn Abbas!

**deRougemont** · March 16, 2007, 11:06 AM

Ah, I see. And by making patronymical bynames as you have above, there isn't any grammatical/spelling changes that need to be made to the new name? Simply Zuhr to ibn Zuhr? Interestingly enough, this is what we did with part of the Danish names list as well.

This list is certainly more fleshed out now. You two get credit for it!

I'll whip up the rest of the .txt files for them after the first release of the Mod unless someone is ambitious enough to do it themselves

**Serious Spamurai** · March 16, 2007, 11:21 AM

Yeah, it's simply Ibn-Yusef, Ibn-Ibrahim, nice and simple. All of the Al-[XXXX][I] names are locative, the "ih" sound changes it from a place name to someone from that place, there is no equivalent translation in English that I can think of, the best example I can find would be the change undergone by "France" [place name] into "Frenchman" [Place name + "ih" sound].

**Averroës** · March 16, 2007, 02:40 PM

Ah, yes. This is true. But the same applies to tribal names as well, doesn't it? For some they are not so much a locative indication as a tribal indication, owing to the fact that there wasn't a set location for most, but instead a nomadic tribal affiliation with no set location/town/village, etc. I am no expert and don't speak Arabic, in fact. So any expetise is very welcome!

Ack, and I just noticed that my additional surnames list has an error. Do you want me to fix it and post it again, de Rougemont? I see that in my ibn list, all of the names after the brackets still have the underscore. They should instead be spaces, or perhaps hyphens. So instead of {ibn_A_id}ibn_A'id it should be in the form of {ibn_A_id}ibn A'id or {ibn_A_id}ibn-A'id. I prefer the space to the hyphen, simply to set them off from the locative and tribal bynames with al-. It's easily done in a spreadsheet, though, if you want to do it yourself.

**Serious Spamurai** · March 16, 2007, 02:45 PM

I don't speak arabic either, but yes I suppose it would make sense that tribal names also had that ending. Al[the] "XXXX"I[someone of that object, in this case it's a tribe] says that the person is of that tribe/town.

**deRougemont** · March 16, 2007, 02:45 PM

@Averroes

No worrries, I'll take care of fixing it when I start on the Eastern factions

**Averroës** · March 16, 2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Serious samurai

I don't speak arabic either, but yes I suppose it would make sense that tribal names also had that ending. Al[the] "XXXX"I[of that object, in this case it's a tribe] says that the person is of that tribe/town.

Well, you're way ahead of me. I didn't know that the "i" ending was the important part. More knowledge is always a good thing. Thanks!

Only a few more factions to go and we'll have a great names list!

Scottish presents some special problems, as does the Milanese list. In the first, you have to deal with using Gaelic names and thus the shift from nominative case for first names to the genitive case and variants for the patronomials or use Latinized Norman names as appeared later. For Milan, a whole different set of problems, including using the more Germanic forms of the 11th century Northwestern Italian names mixed in with some Occitan and some Southern and Eastern Italian. It's all a mess, and on top of it all most of the records in both cases were kept by people who used Latinized versions of the names or spoke another language altogether! This is why medieval scholars go bald early, and we're doing it all for fun?

**deRougemont** · March 16, 2007, 03:07 PM

Yes, I think Odovacar is focusing on Lombard names for "Milan". So far de-latinizing names hasn't been very difficult; Black Francis had to do this for all of his Sicilian names.

As for the Scots... what a mess...

Anyway, yes we are close to having several other factions done. It's just a matter of me getting them into .txt files and testing them out. By the way, you guys should try the v 1.0 beta out.

**finneys13** · May 27, 2007, 10:11 AM

The Moors have been long dormant, can these be finished? Thanks.

**Osiris1975** · May 30, 2007, 02:34 PM

what kind of finishing are you looking for? Just having the list cleaned up to look like they should look in the game?

**finneys13** · May 30, 2007, 02:36 PM

Clean up the names, make sure it is good Arabic I guess, I don't know enough Arabic to be sure that I am not doing mistakes.

If you don't mind.

**Osiris1975** · May 30, 2007, 02:53 PM

Oh, there all good. Remember these names are transliterated, as arabic uses a different alphabet. Just replace the underscores with a space for the names like ibn_Shakir and you'll be fine. I compiled the lists from above that had names that looked fine and proper. Just use the version not enclosed in {} symbols. You may want to remove the apostrophes from the Egyptian list I gave you in the egyptian thread, just so it matches the same format as here.

Male given names;
{A_id}A'id
{Aban}Aban
{Abbad}Abbad
{Abbas}Abbas
{Abdu_llah}Abdu'llah
{Affan}Affan
{Aflah}Aflah
{Ahmad}Ahmad
{Ali}Ali
{Amira}Amira
{Amr}Amr
{Asad}Asad
{Asbag}Asbag
{Asbat}Asbat
{Asim}Asim
{Aslam}Aslam
{Atiq}Atiq
{Atta}Atta
{Attab}Attab
{Attiyah}Attiyah
{Ayman}Ayman
{Ayshun}Ayshun
{Ayyub}Ayyub
{Badr}Badr
{Bakr}Bakr
{Baqi}Baqi
{Da_ud}Da'ud
{Darras}Darras
{Fadl}Fadl
{Faris}Faris
{Farraj}Farraj
{Fath}Fath
{Galib}Galib
{Hafs}Hafs
{Hajib}Hajib
{Hajjaj}Hajjaj
{Hakam}Hakam
{Hamdin}Hamdin
{Hamdun}Hamdun
{Hamid}Hamid
{Hammad}Hammad
{Hani}Hani
{Harith}Harith
{Haroun}Haroun
{Harun}Harun
{Hasan}Hasan
{Hatim}Hatim
{Hayyan}Hayyan
{Hazm}Hazm
{Hisham}Hisham
{Humam}Humam
{Husain}Husain
{Ibrahim}Ibrahim
{Idris}Idris
{Isa}Isa
{Ishaq}Ishaq
{Isma_il}Isma'il
{Ja_far}Ja'far
{Ja_qub}Ja'qub
{Jabir}Jabir
{Jahhaf}Jahhaf
{Jahwar}Jahwar
{Jalaf}Jalaf
{Jalid}Jalid
{Jasib}Jasib
{Jattab}Jattab
{Jawar}Jawar
{Lubb}Lubb
{Mahbub}Mahbub
{Majlad}Majlad
{Makki}Makki
{Malik}Malik
{Mansur}Mansur
{Marwan}Marwan
{Marzuq}Marzuq
{Mas_ud}Mas'ud
{Masarra}Masarra
{Maslama}Maslama
{Mawhab}Mawhab
{Maymun}Maymun
{Miswar}Miswar
{Mu_awiya}Mu'awiya
{Mufarrij}Mufarrij
{Mufawwiz}Mufawwiz
{Muhammad}Muhammad
{Muharib}Muharib
{Mujahid}Mujahid
{Mundir}Mundir
{Mus_ab}Mus'ab
{Musa}Musa
{Mutarrif}Mutarrif
{Najah}Najah
{Najih}Najih
{Nasr}Nasr
{Nizar}Nizar
{Nuh}Nuh
{Nusayr}Nusayr
{Qasim}Qasim
{Qays}Qays
{Rabi}Rabi
{Rahhu}Rahhu
{Rashid}Rashid
{Razin}Razin
{Ridwan}Ridwan
{Rushd}Rushd
{Sa_d}Sa'd
{Sa_dan}Sa'dan
{Sa_dun}Sa'dun
{Sa_id}Sa'id
{Sabah}Sabah
{Safwan}Safwan
{Sahl}Sahl
{Sahr}Sahr
{Sajr }Sajr
{Salama}Salama
{Salih}Salih
{Salim}Salim
{Sawwar}Sawwar
{Sayyid}Sayyid
{Shakir}Shakir
{Shamir}Shamir
{Shu_ayb}Shu'ayb
{Shurayh}Shurayh
{Siraj}Siraj
{Sufyan}Sufyan
{Sulaiman}Sulaiman
{Sumayl}Sumayl
{Tabit}Tabit
{Tahir}Tahir
{Talha}Talha
{Tamim}Tamim
{Tammam}Tammam
{Tariq}Tariq
{Tasufin}Tasufin
{Tawd}Tawd
{Tayyib}Tayyib
{Ubada}Ubada
{Ubaid}Ubaid
{Ufayr}Ufayr
{Ulaym}Ulaym
{Umar}Umar
{Umayyah}Umayyah
{Usama}Usama
{Utba}Utba
{Uthman}Uthman
{Wadah}Wadah
{Wahb}Wahb
{Walid}Walid
{Wasil}Wasil
{Wasim}Wasim
{Ya_ish}Ya'ish
{Ya_qub}Ya'qub
{Yahyah}Yahyah
{Yazid}Yazid
{Yunus}Yunus
{Yusuf}Yusuf
{Zayd}Zayd
{Ziyad}Ziyad
{Zuhayr}Zuhayr
{Zuhr}Zuhr

Female names:

{A_isha}A'isha
{Amat}Amat
{Amina}Amina
{Asma}Asma
{Baraka}Baraka
{Bazzu}Bazzu
{Fatimah}Fatimah
{Hadija}Hadija
{Hafsa}Hafsa
{Hamda}Hamda
{Hamduna}Hamduna
{Hind}Hind
{Ishraq}Ishraq
{Jariya}Jariya
{Jawla}Jawla
{Judur}Judur
{Kitman}Kitman
{Lubna}Lubna
{Mahja}Mahja
{Maryam}Maryam
{Maymuna}Maymuna
{Nuzha}Nuzha
{Rima}Rima
{Safiyya}Safiyya
{Safya}Safya
{Sama}Sama
{Sara}Sara
{Sayyida}Sayyida
{Sitt}Sitt
{Su_a}Su'a
{Sukayna}Sukayna
{Suna}Suna
{Sut}Sut
{Ta_zunt}Ta'zunt
{Tamu}Tamu
{Urtatim}Urtatim
{Yamina}Yamina
{Yanduza}Yanduza
{Zannu}Zannu
{Zarru}Zarru
{Zaynab}Zaynab
{Zummurrud}Zummurrud

Bynames/surnames:

{al_Andalusi}al-Andalusi
{al_Isbili}al-Isbili
{al_Mari}al-Mari
{al_Mursi}al-Mursi
{al_Balansi}al-Balansi
{al_Jayyani}al-Jayyani
{al_Rundi}al-Rundi
{al_Qurtubi}al-Qurtubi
{al_Garnati}al-Garnati
{al_Mayurqui}al-Mayurqui
{al_Talamanki}al-Talamanki
{al_Tulaytuli}al-Tulaytuli
{al_Dani}al-Dani
{al_Ifriqi}al-Ifriqi
{al_Magribi}al-Magribi
{al_Tunayzi}al-Tunayzi
{al_Abbar}al-Abbar
{al_Abbas}al-Abbas
{al_Abdari}al-Abdari
{al_As}al-As
{al_Asadi}al-Asadi
{al_Ashjai}al-Ashjai
{al_Asili}al-Asili
{al_Attar}al-Attar
{al_Azdi}al-Azdi
{al_Bahrani}al-Bahrani
{al_Bajjani}al-Bajjani
{al_Baji}al-Baji
{al_Bakri}al-Bakri
{al_Batalyawsi}al-Batalyawsi
{al_Baytar}al-Baytar
{al_Bazzaz}al-Bazzaz
{al_Birzali}al-Birzali
{al_Dabbag}al-Dabbag
{al_Dabbaj}al-Dabbaj
{al_Fadl}al-Fadl
{al_Faradi}al-Faradi
{al_Farisi}al-Farisi
{al_Fath}al-Fath
{al_Fazari}al-Fazari
{al_Fihri}al-Fihri
{al_Gafiqi}al-Gafiqi
{al_Gasani}al-Gasani
{al_Habib}al-Habib
{al_Hadda}al-Hadda
{al_Haddad}al-Haddad
{al_Hadrami}al-Hadrami
{al_Hafiz}al-Hafiz
{al_Hajj}al-Hajj
{al_Hakam}al-Hakam
{al_Hamdani}al-Hamdani
{al_Hariti}al-Hariti
{al_Hassar}al-Hassar
{al_Hijari}al-Hijari
{al_Himsi}al-Himsi
{al_Himyari}al-Himyari
{al_Hubab}al-Hubab
{al_Ilbiri}al-Ilbiri
{al_Iyyadi}al-Iyyadi
{al_Jabab}al-Jabab
{al_Jasur}al-Jasur
{al_Jat_ami}al-Jat'ami
{al_Jawlan}al-Jawlan
{al_Jazrajii}al-Jazrajii
{al_Jilyani}al-Jilyani
{al_Judami}al-Judami
{al_Justani}al-Justani
{al_Kala_i}al-Kala'i
{al_Kinani}al-Kinani
{al_Kutami}al-Kutami
{al_Lajmi}al-Lajmi
{al_Ma_afiri}al-Ma'afiri
{al_Majid}al-Majid
{al_Majzumi}al-Majzumi
{al_Malaki}al-Malaki
{al_Qal_i}al-Qal'i
{al_Qasim}al-Qasim
{al_Qaysi}al-Qaysi
{al_Qurtubi}al-Qurtubi
{al_Ru_ayni}al-Ru'ayni
{al_Sabti}al-Sabti
{al_Sadafi}al-Sadafi
{al_Santarini}al-Santarini
{al_Sayyid}al-Sayyid
{al_Shafi_i}al-Shafi'i
{al_Shatibi}al-Shatibi
{al_Sinhaji}al-Sinhaji
{al_Sulami}al-Sulami
{al_Ta_labi}al-Ta'labi
{al_Tamini}al-Tamini
{al_Tarabulusi}al-Tarabulusi
{al_Tujibi}al-Tujibi
{al_Umawi}al-Umawi
{al_Undi}al-Undi
{al_Wahid}al-Wahid
{al_Wahrani}al-Wahrani
{al_Walid}al-Walid
{al_Zahiri}al-Zahiri
{al_Zubaydi}al-Zubaydi
{al_Zuhri}al-Zuhri
{ibn_A_id}ibn_A'id
{ibn_Aban}ibn_Aban
{ibn_Abbad}ibn_Abbad
{ibn_Abbas}ibn_Abbas
{ibn_Abdu_llah}ibn_Abdu'llah
{ibn_Affan}ibn_Affan
{ibn_Aflah}ibn_Aflah
{ibn_Ahmad}ibn_Ahmad
{ibn_Ali}ibn_Ali
{ibn_Amira}ibn_Amira
{ibn_Amr}ibn_Amr
{ibn_Asad}ibn_Asad
{ibn_Asbag}ibn_Asbag
{ibn_Asbat}ibn_Asbat
{ibn_Asim}ibn_Asim
{ibn_Aslam}ibn_Aslam
{ibn_Atiq}ibn_Atiq
{ibn_Atta}ibn_Atta
{ibn_Attab}ibn_Attab
{ibn_Attiyah}ibn_Attiyah
{ibn_Ayman}ibn_Ayman
{ibn_Ayshun}ibn_Ayshun
{ibn_Ayyub}ibn_Ayyub
{ibn_Badr}ibn_Badr
{ibn_Bakr}ibn_Bakr
{ibn_Baqi}ibn_Baqi
{ibn_Da_ud}ibn_Da'ud
{ibn_Darras}ibn_Darras
{ibn_Fadl}ibn_Fadl
{ibn_Faris}ibn_Faris
{ibn_Farraj}ibn_Farraj
{ibn_Fath}ibn_Fath
{ibn_Galib}ibn_Galib
{ibn_Hafs}ibn_Hafs
{ibn_Hajib}ibn_Hajib
{ibn_Hajjaj}ibn_Hajjaj
{ibn_Hakam}ibn_Hakam
{ibn_Hamdin}ibn_Hamdin
{ibn_Hamdun}ibn_Hamdun
{ibn_Hamid}ibn_Hamid
{ibn_Hammad}ibn_Hammad
{ibn_Hani}ibn_Hani
{ibn_Harith}ibn_Harith
{ibn_Haroun}ibn_Haroun
{ibn_Harun}ibn_Harun
{ibn_Hasan}ibn_Hasan
{ibn_Hatim}ibn_Hatim
{ibn_Hayyan}ibn_Hayyan
{ibn_Hazm}ibn_Hazm
{ibn_Hisham}ibn_Hisham
{ibn_Humam}ibn_Humam
{ibn_Husain}ibn_Husain
{ibn_Ibrahim}ibn_Ibrahim
{ibn_Idris}ibn_Idris
{ibn_Isa}ibn_Isa
{ibn_Ishaq}ibn_Ishaq
{ibn_Isma_il}ibn_Isma'il
{ibn_Ja_far}ibn_Ja'far
{ibn_Ja_qub}ibn_Ja'qub
{ibn_Jabir}ibn_Jabir
{ibn_Jahhaf}ibn_Jahhaf
{ibn_Jahwar}ibn_Jahwar
{ibn_Jalaf}ibn_Jalaf
{ibn_Jalid}ibn_Jalid
{ibn_Jasib}ibn_Jasib
{ibn_Jattab}ibn_Jattab
{ibn_Jawar}ibn_Jawar
{ibn_Lubb}ibn_Lubb
{ibn_Mahbub}ibn_Mahbub
{ibn_Majlad}ibn_Majlad
{ibn_Makki}ibn_Makki
{ibn_Malik}ibn_Malik
{ibn_Mansur}ibn_Mansur
{ibn_Marwan}ibn_Marwan
{ibn_Marzuq}ibn_Marzuq
{ibn_Mas_ud}ibn_Mas'ud
{ibn_Masarra}ibn_Masarra
{ibn_Maslama}ibn_Maslama
{ibn_Mawhab}ibn_Mawhab
{ibn_Maymun}ibn_Maymun
{ibn_Miswar}ibn_Miswar
{ibn_Mu_awiya}ibn_Mu'awiya
{ibn_Mufarrij}ibn_Mufarrij
{ibn_Mufawwiz}ibn_Mufawwiz
{ibn_Muhammad}ibn_Muhammad
{ibn_Muharib}ibn_Muharib
{ibn_Mujahid}ibn_Mujahid
{ibn_Mundir}ibn_Mundir
{ibn_Mus_ab}ibn_Mus'ab
{ibn_Musa}ibn_Musa
{ibn_Mutarrif}ibn_Mutarrif
{ibn_Najah}ibn_Najah
{ibn_Najih}ibn_Najih
{ibn_Nasr}ibn_Nasr
{ibn_Nizar}ibn_Nizar
{ibn_Nuh}ibn_Nuh
{ibn_Nusayr}ibn_Nusayr
{ibn_Qasim}ibn_Qasim
{ibn_Qays}ibn_Qays
{ibn_Rabi}ibn_Rabi
{ibn_Rahhu}ibn_Rahhu
{ibn_Rashid}ibn_Rashid
{ibn_Razin}ibn_Razin
{ibn_Ridwan}ibn_Ridwan
{ibn_Rushd}ibn_Rushd
{ibn_Sa_d}ibn_Sa'd
{ibn_Sa_dan}ibn_Sa'dan
{ibn_Sa_dun}ibn_Sa'dun
{ibn_Sa_id}ibn_Sa'id
{ibn_Sabah}ibn_Sabah
{ibn_Safwan}ibn_Safwan
{ibn_Sahl}ibn_Sahl
{ibn_Sahr}ibn_Sahr
{ibn_Sajr }ibn_Sajr
{ibn_Salama}ibn_Salama
{ibn_Salih}ibn_Salih
{ibn_Salim}ibn_Salim
{ibn_Sawwar}ibn_Sawwar
{ibn_Sayyid}ibn_Sayyid
{ibn_Shakir}ibn_Shakir
{ibn_Shamir}ibn_Shamir
{ibn_Shu_ayb}ibn_Shu'ayb
{ibn_Shurayh}ibn_Shurayh
{ibn_Siraj}ibn_Siraj
{ibn_Sufyan}ibn_Sufyan
{ibn_Sulaiman}ibn_Sulaiman
{ibn_Sumayl}ibn_Sumayl
{ibn_Tabit}ibn_Tabit
{ibn_Tahir}ibn_Tahir
{ibn_Talha}ibn_Talha
{ibn_Tamim}ibn_Tamim
{ibn_Tammam}ibn_Tammam
{ibn_Tariq}ibn_Tariq
{ibn_Tasufin}ibn_Tasufin
{ibn_Tawd}ibn_Tawd
{ibn_Tayyib}ibn_Tayyib
{ibn_Ubada}ibn_Ubada
{ibn_Ubaid}ibn_Ubaid
{ibn_Ufayr}ibn_Ufayr
{ibn_Ulaym}ibn_Ulaym
{ibn_Umar}ibn_Umar
{ibn_Umayyah}ibn_Umayyah
{ibn_Usama}ibn_Usama
{ibn_Utba}ibn_Utba
{ibn_Uthman}ibn_Uthman
{ibn_Wadah}ibn_Wadah
{ibn_Wahb}ibn_Wahb
{ibn_Walid}ibn_Walid
{ibn_Wasil}ibn_Wasil
{ibn_Wasim}ibn_Wasim
{ibn_Ya_ish}ibn_Ya'ish
{ibn_Ya_qub}ibn_Ya'qub
{ibn_Yahyah}ibn_Yahyah
{ibn_Yazid}ibn_Yazid
{ibn_Yunus}ibn_Yunus
{ibn_Yusuf}ibn_Yusuf
{ibn_Zayd}ibn_Zayd
{ibn_Ziyad}ibn_Ziyad
{ibn_Zuhayr}ibn_Zuhayr
{ibn_Zuhr}ibn_Zuhr

**finneys13** · May 30, 2007, 03:00 PM

Thanks for that, might just remove the apostrophes from the Egyptian list, the game doesn't like too many of them if they can be avoided.

And if the family names could be done for the Moors, that would be really perfect.

**Osiris1975** · May 31, 2007, 11:26 AM

Okay, remove the apostrophes that are at the end or start of a name. The ones that are in the middle should be kept. For example...

A'isha should retain the apostrophe, as it indicates a certain pronunciation.

‘Ali you should remove the apostrophe, it helps but its not that neccessary.