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    Icon14 SICILIAN Character Names

    Faction: Sicily
    Status: Complete
    Number of Names: ~300
    Authors: SICILIANVESPERS & BLACK FRANCIS


    To view the custom names list developed for Sicily, click on "show" below:


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    faction: sicily

    characters
    Ademaro
    Alberto
    Alfonso
    Andrea
    Anselmo
    Antonio
    Antonio
    Atenolfo
    Bartolomeo
    Bernardo
    Boemundo
    Corrado
    Corrado
    Drogo
    Enrico
    Enrico
    Ercole
    Ermanno
    Ettore
    Federico
    Ferrante
    Filippo
    Francesco
    Gaspare
    Gherardo
    Giacomo
    Giordano
    Giorgio
    Giosue
    Giovanni
    Gisulfo
    Giuffre
    Giulio
    Goffredo
    Gregorio
    Guaimario
    Gualtiero
    Guglielmo
    Guido
    Landolfo
    Lamberto
    Lorenzo
    Manfredi
    Martino
    Matteo
    Niccolo
    Orlando
    Pandolfo
    Paolo
    Pietro
    Raimondo
    Rainaldo
    Rainulfo
    Roberto
    Romano
    Romoaldo
    Ruggero
    Ruggiero
    Serlo
    Simone
    Tancredi
    Teobaldo
    Ubaldo
    Ubertino
    Uberto
    Umfredo

    surnames
    Abbate
    Aleramici
    Antiochia
    Barba
    Branciforte
    Capece
    Castellano
    Catalano
    Chiaromonte
    Chiaromonte
    Chiaromonte
    Chiaromonte
    Chiaromonte
    d_Alago
    d_Alagona
    d_Aragona
    d_Argo
    de Svevia
    di Lampedusa
    di Palermo
    Doria
    Doria
    Doria
    Doria
    Doria
    Drengotto
    Filangieri
    Graffeo
    Lancia
    Lentini
    Lombardo
    Maniscalco
    Manna
    Marino
    Marino
    Marino
    Marino
    Marino
    Moncada
    Moncada
    Moncada
    Moncada
    Moncada
    Montalbano
    Mosca
    Navarra
    Offamilio
    Pancaldo
    Peralta
    Peralta
    Peralta
    Peralta
    Peralta
    Rocca
    Sciacca
    Siracusa
    Spinola
    Spinola
    Spinola
    Spinola
    Spinola
    Stagno
    Tagliavia
    Tavelli
    Trincanocte
    Vallano
    Ventimiglia
    Ventimiglia
    Ventimiglia
    Ventimiglia
    Ventimiglia
    ;;;locative bynames
    Braccia-de-ferro
    d_Acerenza
    d_Acerra
    d_Aci
    d_Aidone
    d_Ajello
    d_Alago
    d_Alagona
    d_Alife
    d_Altavilla
    d_Ancona
    d_Andria
    d_Apulia
    d_Aragona
    d_Argo
    d_Ariano
    d_Ascoli
    d_Avellino
    d_Aversa
    d_Eboli
    d_Enna
    d_Epiro
    d_Iato
    d_Iesi
    d_Irno
    d_Isernia
    d_Olevano
    d_Oria
    d_Ottaviano
    de Bagnara
    de Balvano
    de Bari
    de Bassunvilla
    de Battalaro
    de Biccari
    de Bisaccia
    de Bisceglie
    de Bisignano
    de Bitonto
    de Bova
    de Brindisi
    de Buonalbergo
    de Caccamo
    de Caiazzo
    de Calabria
    de Calatrasi
    de Caltagirone
    de Campolieto
    de Canne
    de Canosa
    de Capaccio
    de Capitanate
    de Capizzi
    de Capua
    de Casamari
    de Casauria
    de Catania
    de Catanzaro
    de Civitate
    de Comino
    de Conversano
    de Conza
    de Corato
    de Corleone
    de Corleto
    de Ferentino
    de Fiore
    de Flumeri
    de Gaeta
    de Galluccio
    de Gerace
    de Gesualdo
    de Giovinazzo
    de Gravina
    de Laino
    de Larino
    de Lecce
    de Lentini
    de Lesina
    de Licata
    de Loreto
    de Loritello
    de Malta
    de Mandra
    de Marsala
    de Massafra
    de Mazara
    de Melfi
    de Mesagne
    de Messina
    de Mignano
    de Mileto
    de Minervino
    de Minori
    de Misilmeri
    de Modugno
    de Mohac
    de Molfetta
    de Monopoli
    de Monreale
    de Monte Gargano
    de Monte Marano
    de Monte Sant_Angelo
    de Montefusco
    de Montepeloso
    de Montescaglioso
    de Morcone
    de Mottola
    de Muxaro
    de Napoli
    de Nicotera
    de Nocera
    de Normandia
    de Noto
    de Paduli
    de Palermo
    de Petralia
    de Policastro
    de Puliano
    de Ragusa
    de Rupecanina
    de Salerno
    de Sarno
    de Savona
    de Sessa
    de Sicignano
    de Sinagra
    de Siponto
    de Siracusa
    de Sorrento
    de Stridula
    de Tagliacozzo
    de Taormina
    de Taranto
    de Taverna
    de Telese
    de Teramo
    de Toritto
    de Trani
    de Tricala
    de Troia
    de Troina
    de Valenzano
    de Venosa
    de Veroli
    de Vieste
    di Girgenti
    ie Buono
    il Malo

    women
    Adelaisa
    Agata
    Agnese
    Alaine
    Alberada
    Alicia
    Altruda
    Anna
    Beatrice
    Bianca
    Carlotta
    Caterina
    Clementia
    Constanza
    Elena
    Elisabetta
    Elvira
    Emma
    Eremburga
    Felicia
    Filippa
    Flandina
    Fressenda
    Gaitelgrima
    Gemma
    Giovanna
    Giuditta
    Guida
    Iolanda
    Irene
    Isabella
    Judith
    Leonora
    Margherita
    Maria
    Matilda
    Melisende
    Muriella
    Sibilla
    Sichelgaita
    Teodora
    Violante

    Suggestions for improvement are welcome; post below...
    Last edited by deRougemont; April 19, 2007 at 05:44 PM.
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    At long last it is done.

    A whole new list.

    This list represents the Kingdom established by the Norman Hauteville dynasty in Southern Italy and Sicily. It does not include the later eras after it was inherited by the Hohenstaufen dynasty and effectively lost its independence in the 1190s.

    This has required starting from scratch as the vanilla names for Sicily were totally wrong and were generic "Italian" names. I ended up spending quite a bit of money (around £80) on out of print books: John Julius Norwich "The Normans in the South" and The Kingdom in the Sun". Both of which are superb books worth every penny.

    The Kingdom of Sicily is largely forgotten and yet remains a shining example of tolerance between Latin Catholic, Orthodox, Muslim, Norman, Greek, or Lombard that resulted in an unprecedented flourishing of a unique and rich culture and one of the wealthiest and influential kingdoms of the medieval period.

    My thanks to Rouge for his patience.

    You may find yourself looking through the list and thinking it doesn't "fit" together at first glance. There are names of Lombard/Germanic, Norman, French, Latin and Greek origin. These were all names of people who were in some way part of the Kingdom of Sicily. Be they Lombards or Greeks who married into or became officers of the Kingdom, Holy men with Latin names (even an Octavian in there!) they all existed historically and are appropriate. This was after all one of the most culturally mixed Kingdoms of the age.

    There are few family names as there were only a handful of powerful families in this short lived kingdom and most people went by the place they were from. I would encourage Rouge to experiment with putting in multiples of surnames such as Hauteville or Tuboef and forenames such as Robert, Tancred, Bohemond, Baldwin, Roger and William.

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    characters
    Abelard
    Adelard
    Adam
    Adenulf
    Aimee
    Alan
    Alain
    Alard
    Alberad
    Alberic
    Alduin
    Alexander
    Amaury
    Andrew
    Anselm
    Arnald
    Asclettin
    Aubrey
    Avenel
    Baldwin
    Baldric
    Balian
    Bartholomew
    Berard
    Bernard
    Bertrand
    Boniface
    Bohemond
    Charles
    Drogo
    Edmund
    Edward
    Elias
    Falco
    Francis
    Fulk
    Gaimar
    Gauthier
    Geoffrey
    George
    Gerard
    Gervase
    Gieffroy
    Gilbert
    Giles
    Girard
    Gisulf
    Godfrey
    Grimoald
    Guaimar
    Guido
    Guy
    Henry
    Herbert
    Herman
    Hubert
    Hugh
    Hugo
    Humphrey
    James
    Jean
    John
    Jonathan
    Jordan
    Joscelin
    Lanfrank
    Maio
    Marc
    Martin
    Matthew
    Mauger
    Michael
    Miles
    Nicholas
    Norman
    Obert
    Odo
    Octavian
    Osmond
    Paul
    Peter
    Philippe
    Quentin
    Ralph
    Rainulf
    Raymond
    Raynald
    Richard
    Robert
    Roger
    Rollo
    Romuald
    Rudolph
    Serlo
    Silvester
    Simon
    Stephen
    Tancred
    Tebald
    Thomas
    Tristan
    Urso
    Walter
    William
    Vincent

    surnames
    Anfray
    Altavilla
    Arundel
    Ascelin
    Aumont
    Bertram
    Bonnell
    Borsa
    Bosso
    Burnouf
    Bursell
    Buxell
    Carpenel
    Courtenay
    Crepin
    Crispin
    Del Vasto
    Drengot
    du Perche
    Erard
    Fallamonica
    Fergant
    Gerland
    Giffard
    Godefroy
    Gonfroy
    Gounouf
    Grenier
    Guernon
    Guiscard
    Hauteville
    Havard
    Molyneux
    Morello
    Onfroy
    Painel
    Palmer
    Peche
    Pevrel
    Rainfroy
    Rames
    Renouf
    Repostel
    Ridel
    Rioult
    Scalio
    Taillefer
    Tuboeuf

    ;;bynames
    Bras-de-fer
    d_Acerenza
    d_Acerra
    d_Aci
    d_Agrigento
    d_Aidone
    d_Alife
    d_Ajello
    d_Alencon
    d_Altavilla
    d_Andria
    d_Ancona
    d_Apulia
    d_Ariano
    d_Ascoli
    d_Avellino
    d_Aversa
    de Bagnara
    de Balvano
    de Bari
    de Bassunvilla
    de Battalaro
    de Biccari
    de Bisaccia
    de Bisceglie
    de Bisignano
    de Bitonto
    de Bova
    de Brienne
    de Brindisi
    de Buonalbergo
    de Caccamo
    de Caiazzo
    de Calabria
    de Calatrasi
    de Caltagirone
    de Campolieto
    de Canne
    de Canosa
    de Capaccio
    de Capitanate
    de Capizzi
    de Capua
    de Carreaux
    de Casamari
    de Casauria
    de Catania
    de Catanzaro
    de Chartres
    de Civitate
    de Comino
    de Conversano
    de Conza
    de Corato
    de Corleone
    de Corleto
    de Eboli
    de Enna
    de Epirus
    de Ferentino
    de Fiore
    de Flumeri
    de Gaeta
    de Galluccio
    de Gerace
    de Gesualdo
    de Giovinazzo
    de Gravina
    de Hauteville
    de Iato
    de Iesi
    de Irno
    de Isernia
    de Laino
    de Larino
    de Lecce
    de Lentini
    de Lesina
    de Licata
    de Loreto
    de Loritello
    de Malta
    de Mandra
    de Marsala
    de Massafra
    de Mazara
    de Melfi
    de Mesagne
    de Messina
    de Mignano
    de Mileto
    de Minervino
    de Minori
    de Misilmeri
    de Moac
    de Modugno
    de Molfetta
    de Monopoli
    de Monreale
    de Monte Gargano
    de Monte Marano
    de Monte Sant'Angelo
    de Montefusco
    de Montescaglioso
    de Montepeloso
    de Morcone
    de Mottola
    de Napoli
    de Nicotera
    de Nocera
    de Normandy
    de Noto
    de Olevano
    de Oria
    de Ottaviano
    de Paduli
    de Palermo
    de Petralia
    de Policastro
    de Puliano
    de Ragusa
    de Rethel
    de Rouen
    de Rupecanina
    de Salerno
    de Sarno
    de Savona
    de Say
    de Sessa
    de Sicignano
    de Sinagra
    de Siponto
    de Sorrento
    de Stridula
    de Syracuse
    de Tagliacozzo
    de Taormina
    de Taranto
    de Taverna
    de Telese
    de Teramo
    de Toritto
    de Trani
    de Tricala
    de Trinacria
    de Troia
    de Troina
    de Valenzano
    de Venosa
    de Veroli
    de Vieste
    le Bastard
    le Blond
    le Bon
    le Brun
    le Breton
    le Chevalier
    le Lombard
    le Mal
    le Sire
    Trincanocte

    women
    Adelaide
    Adelisa
    Agata
    Agnes
    Alaine
    Alberada
    Alice
    Altrude
    Anais
    Anna
    Anne
    Aubrée
    Beatrice
    Beatrix
    Blanche
    Catherine
    Charlotte
    Clementia
    Constance
    Constanze
    Elizabeth
    Elvira
    Emma
    Eremburga
    Felicia
    Flandina
    Fressenda
    Gaitelgrima
    Gemma
    Guida
    Helena
    Helene
    Heria
    Hodierna
    Irene
    Isabel
    Isabella
    Joanna
    Judith
    Katherine
    Mabilla
    Margaret
    Maria
    Marie
    Mathilda
    Maximilla
    Melisende
    Muriel
    Philippa
    Sibyl
    Sibylla
    Sichelgaita
    Theodora
    Violante
    Yolande


    EDIT: 10 MOST POPULAR NAMES.

    Baldwin
    Bohemond
    Geoffrey
    Jordan
    Richard
    Robert
    Roger
    Simon
    Tancred
    William
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    It looks great Black Francis! I feel like you've just birthed a child, lol. One question so far: can I assume from your list that that were very few non-"de" surnames in use in Sicily? Maybe perhaps because the Sicilian expedition was largely an operation of the nobility?

    Anyway, I'm quite excited to have these names, thanks a lot!
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    Glad you are happy with it.

    Most people were simply titled "of somewhere", usually wherever they were from or where they were lords of (if noble). It wasn't necessarily an honorary title. All I have dome is used "de" as "of" just like their Frankish cousins did.

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    Alright, I've finished making up the .txt fragments for Sicily. Tested them by starting a campaign and it started up ok. They're attached to the first post in this thread and are good to go!
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    Very nice.

    One question. Is the surname Bras-de-Fer correct? Shouldn't it be Bras_de_Fer in some places? As in {Bras_de_Fer}Bras-de-Fer instead of {Bras-de-Fer}Bras-de-Fer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averroës View Post
    Very nice.

    One question. Is the surname Bras-de-Fer correct? Shouldn't it be Bras_de_Fer in some places? As in {Bras_de_Fer}Bras-de-Fer instead of {Bras-de-Fer}Bras-de-Fer?
    Honestly I'm not sure yet, though I think you are right. However, I noticed this too last night and changed it to _ _ _ between the {} just to make sure. Also, for some reason when I added these names to the master lists it caused a problem which I'm still searching for. So I will reattach these names once I find the error... strange, it worked fine when I added just the new sicilian names to the vanilla files. But there are so many ways to make a mistake doing this.
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    This list is commendable, but I do think you missed a major element in the list. The "Normanni" of Sicily included a very prominent Lombard element. Since Adelasia del Vasto was a Ligurian from Northern Italy, The Lombards from this area were very important in Sicily. You can find many of the great Genoese clans represented in Sicily at this time. Like the Doria, Spinola, and my own Marino family. The Ventimiglia were also Ligurian.

    Also many of the Norman names were quickly Italianized. Like the Clermont, that became the great Sicilian family of Chiaromonte.

    I have many Sicilian resources at my disposal, including feudal registries, and can provide some input if that is ok?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SicilianVespers View Post
    I have many Sicilian resources at my disposal, including feudal registries, and can provide some input if that is ok?
    Absolutely, post anything you can that will help us improve the lists. Your sources are always important though, let us know where your names/information are coming from. We're more likely to change a list when we know exactly where you are coming from with suggestions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SicilianVespers View Post
    This list is commendable, but I do think you missed a major element in the list. The "Normanni" of Sicily included a very prominent Lombard element. Since Adelasia del Vasto was a Ligurian from Northern Italy, The Lombards from this area were very important in Sicily. You can find many of the great Genoese clans represented in Sicily at this time. Like the Doria, Spinola, and my own Marino family. The Ventimiglia were also Ligurian.

    Also many of the Norman names were quickly Italianized. Like the Clermont, that became the great Sicilian family of Chiaromonte.

    I have many Sicilian resources at my disposal, including feudal registries, and can provide some input if that is ok?
    All suggestions are welcome. I am somewhat limited by whatever literature on the subject I can obtain in English (which is only a few books).

    A couple of things need to be kept in mind though. The names in this list and the Sicilian faction as a whole reflect the Norman Kingdom of Sicily which lasted until 1194 as an truly independent faction (before it was inherited by the Holy Roman Emperor). The names I used kept to this period alone. After this period the Kingdom of Sicily was simply a possession that was squabbled over by a multitude of European powers up until the modern era. I decided that I would not include names from this later period as the independent faction represented in the game and the Norman Kingdom of Sicily was effectively over.

    I would say that if you can turn up more names for Sicily that do not extend beyond 1194 then this is fine but I would not be in favour of including names from later dates.

    As for putting the names in an Italian form this is a very interesting proposal. The list needs to be put into a language form other than its current Anglo-Latin, and I guess this would have to be either be Italian or French.

    HOWEVER! If we are going to start adding names that are in an Italian form the entire list should be overhauled and put into this form to give it a more uniform flavour.

    Strange, I spent so long trying to get them into a French form (unsuccessfully) that I totally missed the fact that they would be more likely to be in an Italian form after a generation or two.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Francis View Post
    All suggestions are welcome. I am somewhat limited by whatever literature on the subject I can obtain in English (which is only a few books).

    A couple of things need to be kept in mind though. The names in this list and the Sicilian faction as a whole reflect the Norman Kingdom of Sicily which lasted until 1194 as an truly independent faction (before it was inherited by the Holy Roman Emperor). The names I used kept to this period alone. After this period the Kingdom of Sicily was simply a possession that was squabbled over by a multitude of European powers up until the modern era. I decided that I would not include names from this later period as the independent faction represented in the game and the Norman Kingdom of Sicily was effectively over.

    I would say that if you can turn up more names for Sicily that do not extend beyond 1194 then this is fine but I would not be in favour of including names from later dates.

    As for putting the names in an Italian form this is a very interesting proposal. The list needs to be put into a language form other than its current Anglo-Latin, and I guess this would have to be either be Italian or French.

    HOWEVER! If we are going to start adding names that are in an Italian form the entire list should be overhauled and put into this form to give it a more uniform flavour.

    Strange, I spent so long trying to get them into a French form (unsuccessfully) that I totally missed the fact that they would be more likely to be in an Italian form after a generation or two.

    Thoughts?
    I think you should consider extending the list to 1266, after the Battle of Benevento. When Charles of Anjou usurps the throne.

    From a Sicilian point of view, the Hohenstaufen dynasty was really a continuation of the Altavilla, in the female line. The same can be said of the House of Aragona, which was also connected to the Hohenstaufen and Altavilla thru Costanza, daughter of Manfredo. We were independent of Aragon until 1409.

    About the French naming, I think it does apply to the first generation of Italo-Normans. Sort of the same situation would have existed in Normany, the first generation would have been very Norse, but the second would have been Norman-French.

    I'll put a list together, and you can let me know what you think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SicilianVespers View Post
    I'll put a list together, and you can let me know what you think?
    Definitely, this will be interesting.
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    The files are attached. This was a quick list from what I had used in other mods plus your by names.

    A technique I use to make the more powerful clans appear more often is to duplicate their name in descr_names. For example, a family that held twenty three baronies should appear far more often than a family of urban magnates in Palermo.

    I didn't do a lookup file, because the game doesn't use it.

    If you need more names, I can get more. I just need to look thru my books & papers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SicilianVespers View Post
    A technique I use to make the more powerful clans appear more often is to duplicate their name in descr_names.
    We have plans to do this for all the factions. Are you sure that it is as simple as repeating the names you want to occur more often in the descr_names.txt? How much have you tested this? If true, this will be easier to do than I thought...

    Quote Originally Posted by SicilianVespers View Post
    I didn't do a lookup file, because the game doesn't use it.
    Are you sure about this as well? I've never been able to find out what the purpose of this file is, so I'm not entirely surprised to hear this. I never tested the game without it though. If true this will save me a lot of work.

    I'll leave it to Black Francis to comment on your names since I know little about the Normans in Sicily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deRougemont View Post
    We have plans to do this for all the factions. Are you sure that it is as simple as repeating the names you want to occur more often in the descr_names.txt? How much have you tested this? If true, this will be easier to do than I thought...
    Yes, I used this method when I did the names for Chivalry:TW. It works

    Quote Originally Posted by deRougemont View Post
    Are you sure about this as well? I've never been able to find out what the purpose of this file is, so I'm not entirely surprised to hear this. I never tested the game without it though. If true this will save me a lot of work.
    Same as above, I didn't bother with it in Chivalry, and it works with no problems.


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    @Vespers

    Good news, thanks for sharing these technical tips with us, they will be very helpful! We'll continue with the content of your list after we hear from Francis.
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    Vespers, your list is SUPERB!
    Its great, I can see the Norman names and how they have changed into an Italian form.

    It is missing some names such as Hauteville (or maybe Im just blind). I would be more than happy if you were to continue where I left off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Francis View Post
    Vespers, your list is SUPERB!
    Its great, I can see the Norman names and how they have changed into an Italian form.

    It is missing some names such as Hauteville (or maybe Im just blind). I would be more than happy if you were to continue where I left off.
    Thanks, Hauteville is Altavilla in Italian

    I will look thru my sources for more family names (I think we need more). What do you think about adding some Southern Italian Lombard first names, like Gisulfo, Pandolfo, Gaimario, etc... You should be very familiar with these after reading Norwich, maybe make 1/4 or 1/5 of the first names S. Lombard?
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    @SicilianVespers

    Yay, more and better names for Sicily, lol! I'll let Francis answer your question above. I just wanted to ask quickly if you have any interest in redoing the names list for the Papal States? We have someone doing Milan, and I did Venice already. Papal States will be all thats left for Italy. Interested? You will be my hero if you do...
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    @Vespers,

    Thanks for clarifying the Hauteville issue.

    I would say yes to more Lombard first names, 1/4 seems fine to me. The problem I knew I was encountering with reading Norwich is that it really was a history of the Normans and not the pre-existing Lombard culture and that the Lomabards would not be adequately reflected in my list. I tried to include a few Lombard female names to reflect Normans marrying into and allying themselves with existing Lomabard noble households.

    I would also suggest we put in any other popular Christian names you could come up with as these were pretty much universal.

    EDIT: Out of interest, what would be the Italian version of the Norman family name "Norris" if there was one?
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