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    Icon14 ENGLISH Character Names

    Faction: ENGLAND
    Status: Complete
    Total names: 518
    Authors: KINGMAKER & DEROUGEMONT


    To view the custom names list developed for England, click on "show" below:

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    faction: england

    characters
    Alan
    Alfred
    Ambrose
    Andrew
    Archibald
    Arthur
    Aston
    Aubrey
    Baldwin
    Bartholomew
    Christopher
    David
    Edgar
    Edmund
    Edward
    Elias
    Eustace
    Francis
    Fraunce
    Fulk
    Geoffrey
    George
    Gerard
    Gilbert
    Giles
    Gregory
    Guy
    Harold
    Henry
    Herbert
    Howard
    Hubert
    Hugh
    Humphrey
    Jacob
    James
    Jasper
    John
    Laurence
    Leonard
    Lewes
    Lionel
    Matthew
    Miles
    Nicholas
    Nigel
    Oliver
    Owen
    Perkin
    Philibert
    Phillip
    Ralph
    Randolf
    Reginald
    Reynold
    Richard
    Robert
    Robin
    Roger
    Samuel
    Simon
    Stephen
    Symond
    Thomas
    Waleran
    Walter
    William

    surnames
    Arundel
    Astley
    Aton
    Aubigny
    Audley
    Bardolf
    Barlow
    Barre
    Baskerville
    Basset
    Baunne
    Beauchamp
    Beauclerk
    Beaufort
    Becket
    Berkeley
    Bernardiston
    Berners
    Blacke
    Blount
    Bohun
    Boleyn
    Bolingbroke
    Bonville
    Botreaux
    Bourchier
    Boyd
    Brandon
    Braye
    Breuse
    Brooke
    Brydges
    Buckingham
    Burghersh
    Burnell
    Carr
    Caston
    Cavendish
    Cecil
    Clifford
    Clifton
    Clinton
    Conyers
    Courtenay
    Cranmer
    Cromwell
    Curthose
    Curwen
    Dacre
    Dalingridge
    Darcy
    Darnley
    Daubney
    Daunt
    Devereux
    Dispenser
    Douglas
    Dudley
    Dunbar
    Dunkeld
    Echingham
    Fane
    Fanhope
    Ferguson
    Ferrers
    Fiennes
    FitzAlan
    FitzHenry
    FitzHerbert
    FitzHugh
    FitzRoy
    FitzWalter
    FitzWilliam
    Fleming
    Flory
    Francis
    Gascoigne
    Gaveston
    Giffard
    Gilbey
    Gilchrist
    Giles
    Glemham
    Godwin
    Godwinson
    Goushill
    Granville
    Greene
    Greville
    Grey
    Greystoke
    Hamilton
    Harcourt
    Hardwick
    Harrington
    Hastings
    Hepburn
    Herbert
    Heronville
    Hewlinge
    Holland
    Howard
    Hungerford
    Hussey
    Hyde
    Hylton
    Keyes
    Kyme
    Lacy
    Lambert
    Lamplugh
    Langley
    Langton
    Latimer
    Liddyatt
    Longchamp
    Lovell
    Lumley
    Malpas
    Maltravers
    Manners
    Manny
    Marment
    Marshall
    Maulever
    Merbury
    Moleyns
    Montgomery
    Mordaunt
    Morgan
    Mors
    Mortimer
    Morton
    Mountford
    Mowbray
    Naishe
    Naylor
    Neville
    Packenham
    Paget
    Palgrave
    Parker
    Parr
    Payne
    Percy
    Plantagenet
    Pole
    Poynings
    Radcliffe
    Raleigh
    Roos
    Rouet
    Russell
    Sacheverall
    Savile
    Scrope
    Segrave
    Seton
    Seymour
    Simnel
    Sinclair
    Somerset
    Stafford
    Stanhope
    Stanley
    Stewart
    Stoker
    Stourton
    Stratford
    Stuart
    Sutton
    Swynford
    Synnigar
    Talbot
    Tame
    Throckmoreton
    Tiptoft
    Trevelyan
    Trollope
    Tuchet
    Tudor
    Tunstal
    Turberville
    Tyndale
    Tyrell
    Uhtred
    Urswick
    Vaughan
    Vaux
    Walgrave
    Welles
    Wentworth
    Weynsford
    Wildville
    Willoughby
    Wingfield
    Woodstock
    Woodville
    Wrottesly
    ;;;bynames
    le Bigod
    la Zouche
    le Strange
    d_Adelburgh
    de Bohun
    de Brezes
    de Gyse
    de la Pole
    de Badlesmere
    de Beaumont
    de Blois
    de Botreaux
    de Burgh
    de Camoys
    de Cobham
    de Fauconberg
    de Furnivall
    de Holand
    de Juliers
    de Vere
    de la Warr
    de Lisle
    de Meulan
    de Mandeville
    de Mohun
    de Montalt
    de Montacute
    de Montfort
    de Monthermer
    de Morely
    de Mortimer
    de Multon
    de Muncy
    de Normandie
    de Strabolgi
    de Warrenne
    de Windsor
    of Abingdon
    of Albrighton
    of Alcester
    of Alnwick
    of Amersham
    of Amesbury
    of Arundel
    of Ashbourne
    of Ashwell
    of Axbridge
    of Bampton
    of Bath
    of Bedford
    of Berwick
    of Biggleswade
    of Borcastle
    of Bristol
    of Brittany
    of Buckingham
    of Cambridge
    of Canterbury
    of Chartley
    of Cheltenham
    of Chester
    of Chudleigh
    of Clare
    of Clarence
    of Cornwall
    of Cumberland
    of Darlington
    of Derby
    of Devizes
    of Devon
    of Doncaster
    of Dorset
    of Droitwich
    of Dunwich
    of Durham
    of Essex
    of Evesham
    of Exeter
    of Eynsham
    of Fairford
    of Flookburgh
    of Frampton
    of Gainsborough
    of Gaunt
    of Glastonbury
    of Gloucester
    of Groby
    of Guildford
    of Hartford
    of Hereford
    of Hinckley
    of Hungerford
    of Huntingdon
    of Ireland
    of Kendal
    of Kent
    of Kingsbridge
    of Knutsford
    of Lancaster
    of Leicester
    of Lennox
    of Lincoln
    of Lydd
    of Lydham
    of Maidstone
    of March
    of Merryfield
    of Monmouth
    of Moray
    of Norfolk
    of Normandy
    of Northampton
    of Northumberland
    of Nottingham
    of Old Sarum
    of Oxford
    of Painswick
    of Pembroke
    of Pickering
    of Plymouth
    of Pontefract
    of Richmond
    of Rochester
    of Rothwell
    of Rouen
    of Rutland
    of Salisbury
    of Scotland
    of Shrewsbury
    of Somerset
    of Southampton
    of St Albans
    of St Giles
    of Stafford
    of Suffolk
    of Surrey
    of Sussex
    of Thatcham
    of Tisbury
    of Ulster
    of Wales
    of Warwick
    of Wellington
    of Westbury
    of Westmoreland
    of Whitby
    of Winchester
    of Worcester
    of York

    women
    Adela
    Adelicia
    Agatha
    Agnes
    Aldet
    Aleusa
    Alice
    Alisone
    Alveva
    Amelyn
    Amy
    Anabelle
    Anne
    Arabella
    Avelina
    Avelyn
    Basilia
    Beatrice
    Blanche
    Bridget
    Catherine
    Cecilia
    Cecily
    Christina
    Clare
    Constance
    Dorothy
    Drueta
    Edhida
    Edyth
    Eleanor
    Elianora
    Elizabeth
    Ellen
    Elynor
    Emeline
    Emma
    Emoni
    Estrelda
    Euphemia
    Gladys
    Isabel
    Isabella
    Isobel
    Jane
    Janet
    Jean
    Joan
    Joanna
    Joyce
    Julia
    Katherine
    Linota
    Linyeve
    Lora
    Lucia
    Madeleine
    Maggote
    Malina
    Margaret
    Margery
    Maria
    Marion
    Marjorie
    Mary
    Matilda
    Maud
    Meredith
    Phillipa
    Rosamund
    Sabina
    Sophia
    Sybil
    Thomasine
    Tillote
    Udeline
    Ursula
    Ybelote
    Ysabelle

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    Hi

    herewith extracts from a longer .odt file I put together for a putative Wars of the Roses Mod that seems to have died.

    Sourced from Wedgwood's history of parliament - 15th century volumes.

    First names are all the first names used by members of parliament in 15th cent.

    Surnames are a selection of surnames (mainly those used by more than one MP)

    Aristosurnames are the surnames of the aristocracy in this period.

    Aristotitles are all the titles used in this period (dukes, earls etc)

    the non-aristocratic names would be useful for captain's names ?

    soz no ladies. (do-able but would take time.)

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    @Rozanov
    Some good names in there Roz. You will be pleased to see that most of the aristocratic names from your lists are in already. My first port of call was lists of combatants from Towton, Bosworth, Tewkesbury and some of the other Wars of the Roses battles. And I managed to find a list of some of the wives names as well!
    I think the list made up by combining derougemont and my own original lists covers the period of the game pretty well, from early norman nobility (Beauclerc etc) through to the families that emerged in the late medieval period (Woodville etc).

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    is there a way of ensuring that kings have children with the names of the actual children that king had first, and then if they live longer, other names?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceretic View Post
    is there a way of ensuring that kings have children with the names of the actual children that king had first, and then if they live longer, other names?
    Hmmm, I don't quite understand the question. However, I can say that once the child gets a surname it is stuck with that names throughout the game. This is always the case except for females, who will take the surname of the man they marry. There is no way to changes this.






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    Rouge, as discussed, some worthy names primarily from the Hundred Years War and Wars of the Roses periods;

    Boteler
    Brackenbury
    Catesby
    Chaworth
    Cheney
    Fairfax
    Fastolf
    Fortescue
    Glyn Dwr
    Harlewin
    Richmont
    Robesart
    Scales
    St Leger
    St Pol
    Taillefeur

    de Bêlleme
    de Broase
    de Grailly
    de la Mare
    de la Vache
    de Lacy
    de Morbeke
    of Hainault
    of Middleham

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    ^^^ I've added these names to the english list. However, they won't be downloadable until I release the M2:TW (unmodded) CNP download. I hope to have it out in a couple of weeks.
    Last edited by deRougemont; April 15, 2007 at 11:12 AM.






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    Kingmaker,

    I don't think "of Hainault" is appropriate in the English list, as Hainault refers to a county in Brabant (though really Flanders on the MTW map). I know that the family was influential in Britain at one time, but then one might as well include "of Navarre" or "of Valois"... which would be inappropriate too IMO.
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    @Johan

    The brilliant Hainault court had such a profound impact on England in the medieval period that I think it would be wrong to leave it out. Phillipa of Hainault was wife to Edward III, mother of the Black Prince and a hugely influential patron - one of the five most influential women of the entire medieval period. William of Hainault was arguably Edward III's main ally in the early war and took an active part fighting on the English side. He was also one of the first recipients of the Order of the Garter, the famous knightly order created by Edward. Much later in the war, Jaqueline of Hainault - who had abandoned her husband - was used as an excuse for the English to lead an expedition to retake her lands.

    Flanders usually took the side of England in the wars against France, largely because of the huge income from the wool trade or they cleverly played the two big powers off against each other. If there was a 'Flanders' faction I would agree that it would be better left out, but I think it would be remiss not to represent the part that the court played for both the English and French in the period of the game. Jean de Hainault fought for the French at Crecy, and the name is also represented in the French list.

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    Hainault stays.

    *Updated the English character names list*

    -added a handful of new names
    -removed the last of the incorrect vanilla names from the list (associated withe the descr_strat.txt)

    See the first post in this thread to view the current list...






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    overall, 11/10!!
    lol

    however

    the balance between saxon and norman names seems to be to far toward the middle - there should be more french bnames in the english list, representing the fact that the bulk of the english nobility were of norman descent. Certainly Jean should be included alongside John. Not until the 1400s did the english court prefer english over both norman french and latin.

    some other missing names
    surnames mostly. i don't bvelieve i saw any of the following very powerful families on the list
    Cholmondelay
    Howard
    Scrope

    also, for the time period, D'Avranche should be included

    in the of list, of Chester and of Stafford shgould both be there. The barons Stafford were very powerful noblemen, as were the Earls of Chester till the title merged with the crown under Edward III.


    finally, i note on the starting family list, you changed Rufus to William, which is good. But did you also know that Robert was the oldest of the 4, and that the Conquerors only daughter was Adela not Cecilia and that she was the youngest?

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    Will add your names to the next version

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    Howard, Scrope, of Chester and of Stafford are already in.
    I agree that D'Avranche would be a worthy addition.
    And gentlemen in England, now a-bed
    Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.


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    The CNP mod makes some changes to the names of characters that start the game on map. In the case of England, these changes are wrong and vanilla was closer to the historical situation. I think I have detected some inaccuracies in other factions' setup as well but I don't remember them all at this moment (for instance, I think the Pope from vanilla is the historical 1080 AD pope, and the one in the mod has another name).

    Vanilla has Rufus (William II Rufus) set up in England and faction heir, which is correct. Robert (Robert II Curthose) was correctly set up in Normandy, since this was the fief he later received from his father William I the Conqueror.

    CNP switches Rufus (renamed William, which is OK) to Normandy and Robert to England, and makes Robert the faction heir. Furthermore, it names them Plantagenet. The Plantagenet house did not begin until Henry II Plantagenet, son of Geoffrey Plantagenet and Matilda, granddaughter of William the Conqueror. Robert, William II and Henry I were not Plantagenets.

    So why am I going into all this nerdish details? Well, I think CNP is all about a more authentic MTW2 experience, and since characters that set up on-map have their names preset, it does not interfere with the mod's workings to have them as accurately named as possible for the status quo of 1080 AD. Furthermore, it seems that in many cases vanilla had it straight.

    Just my $0.02.

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    Hum,

    I agree with the Plantagenet bit, I would have given William I the surname 'de Normandie', but there was a thread about faction surnames and Plantagenet was decided for various reasons. Have alook back and you will see it.

    William was the second son, Robert the older one, the game doesn't recognise the fact that Normandy and England were separated by William I's will, so I just went with the elder one for heir, who would have inherited both if William I had not divided England/Normandy.

    I may swap the two sons' positions in a later release, but it doesn't really matter, they were just princes of the same realm, all three princes were in Normandy in 1078 with the king remember, when William and Henry threw water over Robert.

    Any other ideas? Fire away.

    Edit:

    And the Pope is right, Gregorius VII, reigned 1073 to 1085 if wiki can be believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caralampio View Post
    Vanilla has Rufus (William II Rufus) set up in England and faction heir, which is correct.
    1.) Rufus is not a first name (as vanilla has it), but a last name. Secondly, Rufus is a nickname (meaning something like "ruddy"), not a surname.

    Robert (Robert II Curthose) was correctly set up in Normandy, since this was the fief he later received from his father William I the Conqueror. CNP switches Rufus (renamed William, which is OK) to Normandy and Robert to England, and makes Robert the faction heir.
    Interesting, if this is true, it was not intentional. Also, Curthose is another inauthentic name (in technical, rather than practical terms). It means "short pants", and is thus another nickname rather than a surname. Keep in mind also that all family members must have the same last name as the faction leader; there's no way around that limitation.

    Furthermore, it names them Plantagenet. The Plantagenet house did not begin until Henry II Plantagenet, son of Geoffrey Plantagenet and Matilda, granddaughter of William the Conqueror. Robert, William II and Henry I were not Plantagenets.
    Yes, and as finneys points out, I stated this openly when I chose that name. Nothing new here... de Normandie was preferred by another half of the people who took part in that thread. I essentially chose a very important Norman surname over a title. Either is correct, it's just a matter of choice. If enough people prefer de Normandie, it's just as legitimate to use that. However, it may be strange having so many family members claiming the same title; or from another angle, claiming to be from a place most of them after the first generation would not be from, nor ever set foot in during the campaign.
    Last edited by deRougemont; June 10, 2007 at 06:36 PM.

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    just for humour add 'Hanover' go on you know you want to
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    @Finneys13:

    Quote Originally Posted by finneys13 View Post
    Edit:

    And the Pope is right, Gregorius VII, reigned 1073 to 1085 if wiki can be believed.
    It can. He did hold office then, and is there a "Canossa" in MIITW?

    @Main Article:

    Include "Bourdet" or "de Bourdet" as well please, for French as well.

    Edit: The reason being that it was a medieval name (my family's name... I can trace my ancestry to a Norman knight, Hugo Bourdet, who came from France with William I to Leicestershire ) in both England and France.
    Last edited by Sir Walter; July 31, 2009 at 11:17 AM. Reason: smiley

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    Quote Originally Posted by finneys13 View Post

    William was the second son, Robert the older one, the game doesn't recognise the fact that Normandy and England were separated by William I's will, so I just went with the elder one for heir, who would have inherited both if William I had not divided England/Normandy.

    I may swap the two sons' positions in a later release, but it doesn't really matter, they were just princes of the same realm, all three princes were in Normandy in 1078 with the king remember, when William and Henry threw water over Robert.

    Any other ideas? Fire away.
    It's annoying... in medieval times, there were often family feuds, and the fathers also split their land to give different bits to different kids...

    Quote Originally Posted by finneys13 View Post
    Hum,

    I agree with the Plantagenet bit, I would have given William I the surname 'de Normandie', but there was a thread about faction surnames and Plantagenet was decided for various reasons. Have alook back and you will see it.
    He was called "Guillaume le Batarde" at the time Before his uncle was made a Duke, they were "Counts of Rouen", so he could be even "de Rouen"...

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    Phillip with two l's is a modern thing as far as England is concerned...All medieval men with that name would have been Philip...

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