Removing Crusades

[Soulghast]

For the mod, we will certainly need to remove both the crusades and the whole Papal system. Any ideas on how to do that?

[finneys13]

What about Vikings going on pillaging crusades? Same with the more nomadic Eastern factions?

The Orthodox have no pope or crusades, can you just copy their code?

[Soulghast]

Good idea, something like pillaging missions. The only problem is that I don't know in which file the Crusades are coded.

[finneys13]

Just rename Orthodox to Christian, was one church at the time?

[Soulghast]

Yes, it was one Church, but there was a Pope who had influence over the Christian countries of the West. I don't know, it was one Church, but therer were some things that Eastern Greeks and Westerners didn't agree.

Anyway, I think that representing Christianity as one religion would be bad for the gameplay.

[finneys13]

How is the Pope going to affect gameplay in this period? And how one Christian fate affects gameplay, you could just pretend if you are Byzantine that the Patriarch of Constantinople is your religious leader.

[Soulghast]

I just thought that all this election thing was fun and it wouldn't look nice. We would only have 2 religions.(pagan and christian)

[finneys13]

Aren't the Volgar Bulgars in? They are Muslim. Also some Muslim rebels in Spain.

[Soulghast]

Really? I didn't knew. Anyway, do you have any suggestions on the Poep and Cardinal election issue?

[finneys13]

Scrap it, Pope were just elected by the Roman nobility at the time, there were no conclaves and no Cardinals.

[tnick777]

Yes get rid of the whole papacy etc, and just scrap all of it.

Papal states aren't even a faction (to my knowledge) in this game.

I do like that idea of organized raides... though it is pretty historically innacurate..

Plus who would sanction them

Just get rid of them

[finneys13]

Was thinking about this, how about the Vikings having versions of Jihads?

[Soulghast]

Pillaging missions?

[finneys13]

Yeah, the Jihads would be better for this than than the Crusades. Maybe having the 'Jihad' only affecting one faction, the other Vikings can't join it but can call their own ones when they want.

If that is possible.

[tnick777]

That's also not really accurate...... Just get rid of all of them.

[Habelo]

Yea i'd say get rid of them all. Thought pillaging thing would seem like a fun thing but aint worth putting major time in.
And when it comes to historical issues i read in a book that a danish guy once called for scandinavian vikings to raid something against the franks. And the saxons had a pillage "crusade" against England kinda..

[Tsar Stefan Dusan IV]

I think Raiding parties would we very inventive, and not reserved only for viking factions, but for whole pagan culture.
Jihad is better for this than Crusade, in modding terms.

[Antagonist]

I'd vote against them, as some kind of Grand Pillage Campaign thing kind of implies a unity of purpose among the Vikings which I for one don't see... I have always been taught that the Vikings primary motivation for their raids was simple desire for wealth etc. rather then some ideological concern or whatever.

Rememeber that Missions are possible for all factions though, they could probably be used to direct and formalising the whole raiding thing.

Antagonist

[Tsar Stefan Dusan IV]

Guess I forgot about that option , good point Antagonist!

[saapas]

I'd vote against them too. I don't see them really having any purpose.