weak kingetos

[Maroslav]

Can someone please explain to me logic behind this?

1)FM - Sharp/charismatic/vigourious/inselfish/optimistic
2)gain status of " training to be kingetos
3) small stack of hostile( 6 units) of hostile suebic faction come close.
4) win a battle with prebatle ratio 1:1 ---> weak kingetos - repeated 3x with worse and better ratio

What make me wonder is, that instead of cumulate of some hidden res. contributing to final judge, he immediately obtain weak kigetos after positive event. Thats..... infuriating?

[Shoebopp]

The odds have to be at least slightly stacked against you or else you're guaranteed to get a weak kingetos. I agree that this is rather punitive and I'll try to push for more forgiving odds

[Shoebopp]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Trigger CelticUnprovenTrain
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and not EndedInSettlement
and CharacterAge < 31
and RemainingMPPercentage < 40
and Trait CelticKingetos = 1


Affects CelticKingetos 1 Chance 100


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Trigger CelticUnprovenTrain2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and InEnemyLands
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos = 1


Affects CelticKingetos 1 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenAI
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and not CharacterIsLocal
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait NaturalEnergy > 1
and CharacterAge < 31


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenAI2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and not CharacterIsLocal
and Trait NaturalEnergy = 5
and Trait CelticKingetos = 4
and CharacterAge < 31


Affects CelticKingetos 45 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenAI3
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and not CharacterIsLocal
and Trait NaturalEnergy > 2
and Trait CelticKingetos = 4
and Attribute Command > 3
and CharacterAge < 31


Affects CelticKingetos 45 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenAIF
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and not CharacterIsLocal
and Trait NaturalEnergy < 2
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and CharacterAge < 31


Affects CelticKingetos 5 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenMerc
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait CelticMercCarthage > 1


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenMerc2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait CelticMercRoman > 1


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenMerc3
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait CelticMercGreek > 1


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenMerc4
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait TylisMercAsia > 1


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100

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Trigger KeltUnprovenMerc5
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait TylisMercHellas > 1


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenMerc6
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait TylisMercPtolie > 1


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenMerc7
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition FactionType f_casse
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait PritanoiMercGaul > 1


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenMerc8
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait CelticMercPontic > 1


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenTrainHE
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and I_EventCounter ecWinter = 1
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait NaturalEnergy = 5
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 15


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Trigger KeltUnprovenTrainLE
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and I_EventCounter ecWinter = 1
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait NaturalEnergy = 1
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 10


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Trigger KeltUnprovenTrainAgeFail
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge > 30
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenTrainMove
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and RemainingMPPercentage < 25
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait NaturalEnergy > 2
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 2


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Trigger KeltUnprovenTrainWinter
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and I_EventCounter ecWinter = 1
and RemainingMPPercentage < 50
and CharacterAge < 31
and not EndedInSettlement
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 5


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Trigger KeltUnprovenBattle
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition WonBattle
and PercentageEnemyKilled > 25
and GeneralFoughtInCombat
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 50


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Trigger KeltUnprovenBattle2
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition not WonBattle
and PercentageOfArmyKilled > 25
and GeneralFoughtInCombat
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 30


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Trigger KeltUnprovenBattle3
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition WonBattle
and WasAttacker
and GeneralFoughtInCombat
and BattleSuccess > average
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 75


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Trigger KeltUnprovenBattleCoward
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition not GeneralFoughtInCombat
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenBattleHero
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 2
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenBattle4
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition not WonBattle
and BattleOdds > 0.8
and BattleOdds < 1.1
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenRaid
WhenToTest GeneralDevastatesTile


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 10


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Trigger KeltUnprovenLazy
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and RemainingMPPercentage > 90
and TimeInRegion > 7
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 35


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Trigger KeltUnprovenTemple1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and RemainingMPPercentage > 90
and TimeInRegion > 2
and Trait NaturalEnergy > 2
and SettlementBuildingExists > temple_of_battle_L2b
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 2


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Trigger KeltUnprovenTemple2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and RemainingMPPercentage > 90
and TimeInRegion > 2
and Trait NaturalEnergy > 2
and SettlementBuildingExists < temple_of_battle_L3
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 1


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Trigger KeltUnprovenRaid2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and InEnemyLands
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos > 1
and Trait CelticMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 1


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Trigger KeltUnprovenRaid3
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and InEnemyLands
and TimeInRegion > 3
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 5


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Trigger KeltUnprovenMove2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and RemainingMPPercentage < 35
and CharacterAge < 31
and InEnemyLands
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 4


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Trigger KeltUnprovenOccupy
WhenToTest OccupySettlement


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 75


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Trigger KeltUnprovenSack
WhenToTest SackSettlement


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenExterminate
WhenToTest ExterminatePopulation


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenFailWinterLimit
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and RandomPercent < 50
and TimeInRegion > 15
and RemainingMPPercentage > 90
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenWeak
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and I_EventCounter ecWinter = 1
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait NaturalEnergy < 3
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 1


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Trigger KeltUnprovenHeadhunt
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait CelticHeadHunter > 0


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 75


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Trigger KeltUnprovenTimeLimit
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEndInSettlement


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos = 1
and Trait TurnsAlive = 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1
and Trait PonticMerc < 1
and Trait TylisMerc < 1
and Trait Geistlos < 1
and Trait RomanGeistlos < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 4 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltUnprovenAuxGen
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and Trait CelticKingetos = 2
and Trait AuxiliaryGeneral > 2
and Trait CelticMerc < 1


Affects CelticKingetos 13 Chance 66


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Trigger KeltKingetosAttack
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition WonBattle
and WasAttacker
and GeneralFoughtInCombat
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 36
and not Trait CelticDruid > 3;Not being Uatis or Druid
and Trait CelticKingetos = 4


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltKingetosWin
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition WonBattle
and BattleSuccess = clear
and BattleOdds > 0.9
and GeneralFoughtInCombat
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 36
and not Trait CelticDruid > 3;Not being Uatis or Druid
and Trait CelticKingetos = 4


Affects CelticKingetos 5 Chance 80


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Trigger KeltKingetosBattleHero
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 3
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 36
and not Trait CelticDruid > 3;Not being Uatis or Druid
and Trait CelticKingetos > 3


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltKingetosHeroicV
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition WonBattle
and BattleSuccess > clear
and BattleOdds > 0.9
and GeneralFoughtInCombat
and PercentageEnemyKilled > 25
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 36
and not Trait CelticDruid > 3;Not being Uatis or Druid
and Trait CelticKingetos > 3


Affects CelticKingetos 15 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltKingetosRaid
WhenToTest GeneralDevastatesTile


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and InEnemyLands
and CharacterAge < 36
and not Trait CelticDruid > 3;Not being Uatis or Druid
and Trait CelticKingetos > 3


Affects CelticKingetos 1 Chance 35


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Trigger KeltKingetosOccupy
WhenToTest OccupySettlement


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 36
and not Trait CelticDruid > 3;Not being Uatis or Druid
and Trait CelticKingetos > 3


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 75


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Trigger KeltKingetosSack
WhenToTest SackSettlement


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 36
and not Trait CelticDruid > 3;Not being Uatis or Druid
and Trait CelticKingetos > 3


Affects CelticKingetos 5 Chance 100


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Trigger KeltKingetosExterminate
WhenToTest ExterminatePopulation


Condition Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 36
and not Trait CelticDruid > 3;Not being Uatis or Druid
and Trait CelticKingetos > 3


Affects CelticKingetos 5 Chance 85

[Shoebopp]

Trigger KeltUnprovenBattle4
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition not WonBattle
and BattleOdds > 0.8
and BattleOdds < 1.1
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 100

Trigger KeltUnprovenBattleCoward
WhenToTest PostBattle


Condition not GeneralFoughtInCombat
and Trait Celtic > 0
and not FactionType f_arevaci
and not FactionType f_lusotannan
and CharacterAge < 31
and Trait CelticKingetos < 3


Affects CelticKingetos 3 Chance 100

These two might be the culprits. The battle odds needs to be noticeably against your favor, and your general himself must have fought in melee

[Maroslav]

These sound more for Epas than of kingetos. I managed to get Epas in 2 sole instances, and that in sieging enemy for at least 2 turns causing some devastation, then winning a battle with my FM proactively fighting . All the others attempts, fighting just a huge battles, winning heroic victories didn¨t yielded a trait ( which is necessary for many offices and other traits, unlike a ardodruits).

Which lead me back to kingetos trait- do all the actions counting for succes( depleting movement points, causing a devastation, fighting battles, fighting proactively with general unit) cumulate for each check on "end turn" ? or do they cumulate in longer term?

also- my 2 Epases can get some 2 magistrate offices, but need to be in Bibrakte in winter for voting - already tried for 2 seasons and no result at all for any of them. Any idea?


edit: I had a save with just a FM standing nearby that suebic army. so me angry just took a whole fullstack garrisoned nearby and autoresolved it ---> Kingetos. I don't know. Celts are my ancestors and i usually do usually enjoy fine tuning my characters. I don't mind getting weak kingetos for weak characters, although i admit, that these conditions should a save point just for them to have achance despite being born a weak to gain a title. But certainly not for healthy and vigurous ones to prove themselves to be a standard wariors. And that autoresolve pinned that down for me.

And honestly i don't know how to win that with worse odds. it is 4 warjoz, 1 halithoz( inspire) , 1 ridandiz. Warjoz have 10 missile damage and delete my Donoi cavalry each warjoz with one salvo. I tried FM+ Donoi + Gaisatoi for fear. Didn't work. And any other infantryi add rise odds to much.

[eyelurker]

Get a mercenary province asap, they are guranteed to get a Kingetos trait. Otherwise, i just savescum until i avoid Weak Kingetos trait.