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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Of course not. I'm just stating a fact, which is undeniable.
    You're basically saying it's a good thing it happened, because it "revives the two state solution".
    I disagree with your assessment, even though you say it's undeniable. The Abraham accords are the way towards a two state solution, not away from it.
    Let me tell you that to combat therise in prejudice and hatred against the Jewish people - which does exist - theway forward is not to support the criminal acts of the Israeli government byaccusing those who criticize them of being anti-Semitic. On the contrary, wemust always bear in mind that Israel acts as a representative of Zionism andnot of Judaism.
    Yes, there was certainly no hatred and prejudice towards Jews before the foundation of Israel. Can't think of a single incident of anti-semetism before 1948.
    You know, days after Israel'sterritorial expansion in 1967, the Hebrew philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitzcategorically stated that Israel should withdraw from the territories becausethe souls of nations that exercise colonial power gradually rot.
    You know, days after Israel's victory in the six day war in 1967, Israel offered the Sinai and Golan heights back in return for peace. The Arab states made the Khartoum resolution, AKA the 3 no's:
    No peace.
    No negotiations.
    No recognition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    You know, days after Israel's victory in the six day war in 1967, Israel offered the Sinai and Golan heights back in return for peace.
    You were supposed to offer your neck. Then the pro-decolonization crowd would be satisfied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    You were supposed to offer your neck. Then the pro-decolonization crowd would be satisfied.
    I think the Israelis don't care what the 'pro-decolonization crowd' thinks. Nor for that matter does anyone else. Heck most people probably don't even know who you're referring to. Is this another way of making a discussion about some US domestic obsession nobody else in the world cares about?
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    Decolonization activists teaches man to not colonize train station by selling poppies:

    "Poppy seller 'punched and kicked' during pro-Palestinian demo in Edinburgh
    A 78-year-old poppy seller was allegedly punched and kicked after being caught up in a pro-Palestinian rally at Waverley Station in Edinburgh.
    Army veteran Jim Henderson said he was attacked as he tried to pack up his stall on Saturday.
    Hundreds of people had occupied the station concourse to protest against the Israel-Gaza war.
    British Transport Police (BTP) have confirmed officers are investigating the incident."
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...-fife-67344032

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    "A 78-year-old poppy seller was allegedly punched and kicked". There have to be more serious altercations than this taking place in Europe.

    Jesus F. Christ. Is this a joke?
    Mr Henderson said he managed to get up and was helped from the station by three women in railway workers' uniforms.

    "I've never known anything like it," he added.

    The veteran told he paper he had served in Northern Ireland during the Troubles with the the Royal Corps of Signals, 32 Signal Regiment.
    Did he spend all his time in Northern Ireland stuck in a bar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Umm.. it is. All but one of its members of knesset are Arabs, they're in a joint list with an Arab nationalist party, and headed the Joint List until recently, which included
    said Arab nationalist party, an Arab Islamist party, and a pan-Arabist Arab party. 90%+ of their voters are Arabs (if not higher). They represent the interests of Israeli Arabs, and a tiny extreme fringe of Jewish far-left voters. I've never met one of those personally.
    Israeli politics are quite sectarian. You've got the two ultra-Orthodox parties, the party of the immigrants, 2 or sometimes 3 parties for Religious Zionists, and the 4 Arab parties, which sometimes run together and sometimes separately.
    Calling them Arab parties does not carry any negative connotation, no more than calling the Ultra-Orthodox parties as such. I don't know why you immediately assumed this is saying something negative about them, do you think the term Arab is negative? I don't.

    Them being an Arab party is not at all related to this, they have been an Arab party for a very long time. These terms aren't absolute. Not all who vote for the ultra-orthodox parties are ultra-orthodox (I know several who do and aren't). It does not make one a race traitor to vote for an Arab party, I even considered voting for one at one point.
    God forbid leftist parties turn intersectional! Of course they're going to support oppressed Palestinians, what else are you supposed to do when you live in an apartheid state? As for race traitors I don't think there should be such a thing but Israeli nationalists have started to see things that way. They are hypocrites, of course; anyone even remotely familiar with the Holocaust has a duty to support Palestine at this juncture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    "A 78-year-old poppy seller was allegedly punched and kicked". There have to be more serious altercations than this taking place in Europe.
    Jesus F. Christ. Is this a joke?
    Did he spend all his time in Northern Ireland stuck in a bar?
    We had this for example:

    A 6-year-old Palestinian-American was stabbed 26 times for being Muslim, police say. His mom couldn’t go to his funeral because she was stabbed, too
    Loved ones and strangers united in grief Monday at the funeral of a 6-year-old Chicago-area boy who was killed because he was Muslim, officials say. Wadea Al Fayoume was stabbed 26 times Saturday by his family’s landlord in Plainfield Township, Illinois, the Will County Sheriff’s Office said. His 32-year-old mother, Hanaan Shahin, also suffered more than a dozen stab wounds, the sheriff’s office said.
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    Are people really trying to get into a hate crime victim contest with the Jews? Rofl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    Are people really trying to get into a hate crime victim contest with the Jews? Rofl.

    https://www.adl.org/resources/press-...ollowing-oct-7
    I was reliably informed that it is only Israel, and not about 'my jewish neighbor'. But it looks to be about more than Israel, or 'my jewish neighbor', and extended to Jews who are not my neighbors, and non-Jews as well, and even non-Jews who are not doing anything even related to the fighting taking place after Palestinians went door to door killing men, women, children, old, young, Jew and non-Jew burning them to death, hacking off body parts, shooting them etc.

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    It seems there was an assassination attempt on Mahmoud Abbas

    "Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' convoy was fired upon. One of Abbas' bodyguards was shot and the attack was claimed by the organization called 'Sons of Abu Jandal'"

    "ABBAS WAS GIVEN 24 HOURS
    The “Sons of Abu Jandal,” allegedly organized within the Palestinian security establishment in the West Bank, had given Mahmoud Abbas 24 hours to take action against Israel.


    With the expiry of the deadline, Abbas' convoy was attacked on Tuesday. While one of Abbas' bodyguards was shot in the clash, the Sons of Abu Jandal organization claimed responsibility for the attack."

    https://www.turkiyenewspaper.com/politics/17119
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    Are people really trying to get into a hate crime victim contest with the Jews? Rofl.

    https://www.adl.org/resources/press-...ollowing-oct-7
    No. What the hell are you talking about? Can't we laugh at the absurd anecdotes that are told here from time to time? Can we not echo here the attacks suffered by Palestinians around the world and, especially, at home? 1,000 civilians this year. 146 the previous one. Continue reading. It is very interesting and will enlighten some who believed that until October 7th "everything was calm.":

    Israeli forces killed more Palestinians in the West Bank in 2022 than in any year since the United Nations began systematically recording fatalities in 2005, after the last major Palestinian uprising.

    The surging violence, experts warn, reflects a combustible mix of on-the-ground and generational changes — and could escalate further as Israel’s most far-right government, which includes Jewish supremacists who have incited violence against Palestinians, is sworn in Thursday.
    Palestinian and Israeli rights groups and U.N. experts have blamed the bloodshed on Israel’s excessive use of force and open-fire rules during near-daily military operations, as well as rising assaults by settlers in the West Bank, where Palestinians live under Israeli occupation. Israel said its forces are responding to fatal attacks on Israelis by Palestinian militants, which have also spiked this year.

    Israeli security forces killed 146 Palestinians in the West Bank and predominantly Palestinian East Jerusalem through Dec. 19 of this year, compared with 75 in 2021, according to figures provided by the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, or OCHA. Four more Palestinians in the West Bank were killed by Israeli settlers, OCHA said.

    Most of the Palestinians were killed during Israeli military raids and clashes in the West Bank cities of Jenin and Nablus, according to the United Nations. More than half were under age 25. Among those killed were two U.S. citizens — Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh and 78-year-old Omar Assad — whose deaths gained worldwide attention and sharpened international criticism of Israel.
    An escalation of violence, an increase in anti-Israeli sentiment, who could have foreseen it. Thank god more bombings are going to change this. A few more razed neighborhoods, a few hundred more palestinian dead children and harmony will be total. Mazel tov!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    God forbid leftist parties turn intersectional!
    Again, there's nothing negative about being an Arab party. But they are one.
    Of course they're going to support oppressed Palestinians, what else are you supposed to do when you live in an apartheid state?
    It's a good thing they don't, then.
    As for race traitors I don't think there should be such a thing but Israeli nationalists have started to see things that way.
    What are you even talking about?
    They are hypocrites, of course; anyone even remotely familiar with the Holocaust has a duty to support Palestine at this juncture.
    No, rather, has a duty to support the eradication of the group that wants to do a second holocaust, Hamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Houthis are a tribal group that exists in Yemen. Have you not noticed the Yemen Civil War that's been raging for years? Iran hasn't won anything for them. The Houthis still don't control all of Yemen to this day.
    Do you even know how much People are today under Houthis influence in Yemen? They have more Manpower then even United Arab Emirates while not even controlling all of Yemen.

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    Israel next to them. The Saudis and Israelis share common interests and have the same allies. If the Saudis wanted Israel gone they wouldn't be entertaining the idea of them officially recognizing Israel as a state.

    Did they started recognizing them officially? On other hand does Israel now wants this? Are the interests still common now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    What are you even talking about?
    Israeli proto-fascist elements are already seeing Israelis and Jews opposed to the war as outcasts. Thankfully there are many conscientious people in these communities who don't stand for the debasement of the Holocaust by its use as a propaganda tool with which to justify atrocities.
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    No. What the hell are you talking about? Can't we laugh at the absurd anecdotes that are told here from time to time? Can we not echo here the attacks suffered by Palestinians around the world and, especially, at home? 1,000 civilians this year. 146 the previous one. Continue reading. It is very interesting and will enlighten some who believed that until October 7th "everything was calm.":
    No one is enlightened by attempts to downplay the significance of 10/7 nor instances of violence at pro-Hamas demonstrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    Do you even know how much People are today under Houthis influence in Yemen? They have more Manpower then even United Arab Emirates while not even controlling all of Yemen.
    Do you know how many Yemenis are fighting against the Houthis? It's a civil war after all.

    If the Houthis have so much manpower why can't they kick out the Saudis and UAE?



    Did they started recognizing them officially? On other hand does Israel now wants this? Are the interests still common now?
    Why wouldn't Israel want more recognition? It's strengthens their own position while the Palestinians suffer. Both the Israelis and Saudis have problems with Iran and now also the Houthis who frequently attack and kill Saudi soldiers. That's common interests right there.

    A better question is what benefits do the Palestinians bring over the Israelis to the Saudis?
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    Yesterday, Haaretz published an opinion piece written by their journalist Amir Tibon regarding the war in Gaza. Haaretz is representative of the far left in Israel. Its editorial stance is generally inline with Meretz, a progressive and social democratic party that’s far enough to the left that it didn’t even manage to clear the minimum threshold to make it into the parliament during the last election. Tibon and his wife have a history of involvement in coexistence projects and advocating for Arab Israeli and Palestinian interests.

    Opposition to the war in Gaza is close to non-existent among Jewish Israelis. As a representative of the Israel’s progressive and social democratic left, Tibon’s opinion piece goes a long way to explain why that is. I’ve posted the full text in the spoiler that follows:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Exactly one month ago, October 7, as the sun was rising over my home in Kibbutz Nahal Oz, I had to tell my two daughters – 3 years old and 20 months old – that they must remain completely silent. Not a word, no crying.

    It was 7 A.M. in our Gaza border community and they had just woken up in a dark room devoid of electricity, with five men shouting outside the window. These men soon began firing bullets into our home through the living room window.

    They tried to break through our locked door with their guns. They sprayed our two cars with bullets. One of them held a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. Another threw a grenade toward our neighbors’ home. These men were Hamas terrorists, armed from head to toe, on a mission to get in and kill us.

    Imagine yourself having to tell a 1-year-old, stuck in a dark room with no food, electricity or toys, hearing gunshots and shouting all around her, that she must be silent. That this is not a time to make any noise because it’s dangerous outside. Think about that for a second.

    Now imagine having to do that for 10 hours. Ten hours in the dark, with sounds of war immediately outside your window. Not nearby, not down the street. Literally on your porch. Right in your backyard. Gunshots fired into your living room. Asking yourself: Is my dog still alive?

    Exactly one month ago, when Hamas entered the civilian community where I live, they knew exactly what they were doing – and what the price would be. There are many military targets along Israel’s border with Gaza. Some were attacked on October 7. But that wasn’t enough for Hamas.

    They deliberately chose to enter civilian communities and the homes of families, to murder innocent people. In my community, they shot to death a teenage girl who worked in our kindergarten. They kidnapped two sisters, ages 14 and 8, but not before murdering their father.

    Had they managed to break into the room where we silently barricaded ourselves that day, we all would be dead now. My wife, a social worker who began her career helping Muslim families in southern Israel fight for their legal rights; my daughters, not old enough to hurt a soul in this world.

    We survived, but many didn’t. In our community, the military arrived at a crucial moment. In one neighborhood, the terrorists had just began opening car trunks and pulling out spare tires. Why? So they could start fires in homes and force families to come out and either be shot or abducted.

    Had the military arrived 20 minutes later, the death toll would have doubled in Nahal Oz. We lost 14 people on October 7, while five others (two young girls, two fathers and an 84-year-old woman) were taken to Gaza.

    We survived because Israeli soldiers arrived and killed the terrorists. Not because of any moral deliberations on behalf of Hamas.

    In the first days after the massacre, the eyes of the world were on our story. The horrific actions of Hamas – the killing of the elderly and the young, the kidnapping of toddlers, the torture and rape of women – dominated headlines worldwide.

    But soon, Israel began its military action to eradicate Hamas in Gaza and terrible images from the other side of the border began to emerge. Images of mass destruction and an endless stream of funerals. A tragedy in every sense of the word.

    I don’t want revenge on Gaza. I don’t feel any satisfaction upon hearing that civilians there have been killed. I’m as sad as it’s possible to be over those deaths. But I know that when Hamas came into my community on the morning of October 7, it knew exactly what would happen in the Gaza Strip the day after.

    Hamas chose to start a war after many years in which successive Israeli governments looked for new ways to improve the economic reality in Gaza. In my own community, we were proud to employ workers from there, paying them 10 times the average wage inside the Strip. The Gazans who came to work in our community were able to build homes for their families and finance an education for their children. In a shocking act of betrayal, some of them, it turns out, provided intelligence to Hamas that helped the organization plan its deadly attack on our kibbutz.

    I’m the last person to claim Israel has no fault or blame in our long conflict with the Palestinians. I have written hundreds of articles against the policies of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his far-right allies, and in favor of a real commitment to Palestinian rights and sovereignty. But what Hamas did on October 7 had nothing to do with any of this.

    It was a suicide mission to murder as many Israelis as possible, specifically in civilian communities, with no policy goal or endgame other than murder, torture and pain. It slammed the door shut on improving Gaza’s economy. No Israeli will ever want to employ workers from Gaza in the near future, even though only a relatively small percentage of them actually helped Hamas. The walls of suspicion will be higher than any physical wall Israel might build on the border.

    When Hamas terrorists came to my home, they knew a family with young children was living there. Our baby stroller was parked outside the door as they shot through the windows. And they knew that after they completed their mission, Israel, like any other country, would have to retaliate.

    On that day, they knew they had signed the death certificate of thousands of Gazans. For them, it was a price worth paying for the joy of murdering my teenage neighbor and kidnapping children. They knew Gaza would suffer terrible, shocking destruction. They did it anyway.

    I have my own criticisms of the Israeli government’s response. I don’t understand what the long-term strategy guiding our actions is, and I’m afraid Netanyahu – a corrupt, failed, useless man – will try to prolong the war for personal gain.

    None of that changes Hamas’ culpability.

    No country in the world would have accepted what happened to my family on that awful morning – and you must multiply that by many hundreds of families. A country that doesn’t kill the people who tried to murder my daughters, and those who sent them, has lost its right to exist. That’s as true for Israel as it is for any other country on the planet.

    This hasn’t changed my belief, based on a cold, calculated reading of reality, that in the long run we must find ways to share this land, provide measures of sovereignty to the Palestinians, protect their human rights. But first we must survive. We can’t do anything constructive with the Palestinian people, who deserve equal measures of freedom and security, if we’re all dead.

    In order for this to even be a relevant topic of conversation, Israel must first of all defeat Hamas. This organization can’t remain an active force in Gaza after the atrocities it deliberately committed against civilians. And defeating Hamas will come with a price.

    Hamas, of course, has been preparing for years, entrenching its military presence within civilian installations – schools, hospitals, clinics. Hamas has shown the same total disregard for civilian life in Gaza as it did in my neighborhood. Israel is now fighting a war against a shameless organization that is barricading itself behind innocent people in a dense urban environment. It’s an awful war to fight, but we have only awful choices. If we don’t fight this war, we are inviting Hamas to repeat October 7 in the future.

    The pseudo-academic discourse around this war, with hysterical vocabulary being hurled at U.S. President Joe Biden for supporting Israel after the attempted murder of my daughters, is totally irrelevant except for the purpose of helping Donald Trump – a longtime dream of suicidal elements on the left.

    This isn’t genocide or ethnic cleansing. It’s a terrible war. It’s an inevitable war at this point. It’s a war for our very ability to keep living in this land and raise our children here.

    That doesn’t mean Israel should be shielded from any criticism during the war or after it. Biden should definitely use his influence and leverage to promote steps that will create long-term stability and open the door to a better future here. But if Hamas isn’t defeated and its leadership killed, nothing Biden does will have any positive impact. Hamas must go first.
    For those not interested in reading the whole thing, here are a few excerpts that I think represent the overall perspective well:

    Exactly one month ago, when Hamas entered the civilian community where I live, they knew exactly what they were doing – and what the price would be. […]

    They deliberately chose to enter civilian communities and the homes of families, to murder innocent people. In my community, they shot to death a teenage girl who worked in our kindergarten. They kidnapped two sisters, ages 14 and 8, but not before murdering their father.

    Had they managed to break into the room where we silently barricaded ourselves that day, we all would be dead now. My wife, a social worker who began her career helping Muslim families in southern Israel fight for their legal rights; my daughters, not old enough to hurt a soul in this world.

    We survived, but many didn’t. In our community, the military arrived at a crucial moment. […]

    I don’t want revenge on Gaza. I don’t feel any satisfaction upon hearing that civilians there have been killed. I’m as sad as it’s possible to be over those deaths. […]

    Hamas chose to start a war after many years in which successive Israeli governments looked for new ways to improve the economic reality in Gaza. In my own community, we were proud to employ workers from there, paying them 10 times the average wage inside the Strip… In a shocking act of betrayal, some of them… provided intelligence to Hamas that helped the organization plan its deadly attack on our kibbutz.

    It was a suicide mission to murder as many Israelis as possible, specifically in civilian communities, with no policy goal or endgame other than murder, torture and pain. It slammed the door shut on improving Gaza’s economy. […]

    On that day, they knew they had signed the death certificate of thousands of Gazans. For them, it was a price worth paying for the joy of murdering my teenage neighbor and kidnapping children. They knew Gaza would suffer terrible, shocking destruction. They did it anyway.

    No country in the world would have accepted what happened to my family on that awful morning – and you must multiply that by many hundreds of families. A country that doesn’t kill the people who tried to murder my daughters, and those who sent them, has lost its right to exist. That’s as true for Israel as it is for any other country on the planet.

    That doesn’t mean Israel should be shielded from any criticism during the war or after it. Biden should definitely use his influence and leverage to promote steps that will create long-term stability and open the door to a better future here. But if Hamas isn’t defeated and its leadership killed, nothing Biden does will have any positive impact. Hamas must go first.
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    Meanwhile, the Russian connection:

    Stars of David graffiti in Paris: Russian interference suspected
    Four Moldovan nationals are strongly suspected of being behind some of the 250 Star of David tags found on walls in Paris and its suburbs over the past 10 days. One couple was arrested on October 27, another is on the run. French intelligence agencies now firmly believe it was an external attempt at destabilization. In a press release issued on Tuesday, November 7, the Paris prosecutor said that the examination of telephone data "suggests that the two pairs of perpetrators were in touch with the same third person." The prosecutor also stated that "at this stage, it cannot be ruled out that the marking of the blue Stars of David in the Paris region was carried out at the express request of a person living abroad." The investigation has now been handed to an investigating magistrate.

    Le Monde's analysis, confirmed by two independent experts, finds that the operation was exploited by the "Doppelgänger" network, also known as RRN (for Reliable Recent News). On October 28, a large number of accounts affiliated with this network started sharing on X (formerly Twitter) and Facebook two photos of the blue tags on the walls of a building on Rue de Rocroy, in Paris's 10th arrondissement. The vandalism from that night led to the arrest of a couple of Moldovan nationals, aged 28 and 33.

    The RRN propaganda infrastructure – which, in addition to bots publishing large quantities of messages on social media, also runs fake news sites in French and has previously created fake copies of major news websites (including Le Monde) – had been publicly denounced by the French government on June 13. In a rare statement, the Foreign Affairs Ministry had attributed the disinformation operation to Russia, seeing it as "a new illustration of the hybrid strategy that Russia is implementing to undermine the conditions for a peaceful democratic debate and thus undermine our democratic institutions."
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    No one doubts that Hamas must be defeated. The problem is that right now Israel murders a hundred civilians and creates 10 new militiamen for every terrorist it kills. Historically, Israel is not responsible for Hamas, but if Israel had pursued other policies in recent decades Hamas would not have proliferated at all. They should have been based solely on lies and religious fanaticism, not on images of armed settlers entering Palestinian farms and Israeli soldiers shooting children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    No one doubts that Hamas must be defeated. The problem is that right now Israel murders a hundred civilians and creates 10 new militiamen for every terrorist it kills. Historically, Israel is not responsible for Hamas, but if Israel had pursued other policies in recent decades Hamas would not have proliferated at all. They should have been based solely on lies and religious fanaticism, not on images of armed settlers entering Palestinian farms and Israeli soldiers shooting children.
    Considering the proliferation of different Isalmist/Jihadist groups during the last half century that sounds like a gross oversimplication of how and why Hamas exists. It doesn't take Israeli policy to create and breed support for groups like Hamas.
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    Attempted removal of colonizer settlements in Canada:
    "Montreal police (SPVM) are investigating attempted arsons Tuesday at the Congregation Beth Tikvah synagogue in Dollard-des-Ormeaux on the West Island and a neighbouring Jewish organization.

    According to police, incendiary devices caused minor damage to the front door of the synagogue as well as the back door of another nearby building that houses the Federation CJA.

    "During the night, an incendiary object was thrown through the front door," said Sabrina Gauthier, a spokesperson with Montreal police, adding the community centre was also targeted. "There is minor damage. The investigation is ongoing.""
    https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/jewish-c...ogue-1.6634209

    20:97 He said, ‘Go! In the this world you will have to say, “Untouchable!” And you have an appointment which
    you will not fail to keep. Look at your god to which you devoted so much time. We will burn it up and then
    scatter it as dust into the sea.

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