Lock him up! Former PotUS Trump indicted

[Coughdrop addict]

If Trump can't get loans on his property he must be leveraged to the hilt. He is essentially broke. As many of us have suspected for years, he owes more to creditors (and now the judgements against him) than he has in assets.

It also goes a long way to explaining why he not only kept thousands of classified documents, but kept highly classified documents about our nukes in his desk drawer right next to his passport. He needs big-time favors and nobody legitimate is going to extend those favors to him, but our enemies are willing and waiting to do exactly that.

[alhoon]

I think that if Trump can't get loans he should be treated exactly how the common people would be treated. If that is seizure of assets, then go for that. If that's throwing him in a cell, go for that. And take pictures!

[Lord Thesaurian]

Donald Trump and his family have been in New York real estate for decades and are notoriously scummy, even by the standards of their fellow capitalist elites in the City. The guy routinely dodged taxes, misrepresented assets and liabilities, sourced capital and labor from known mobsters for years, for example, as did many other well known local developers. That’s just how you get things done in a large and very old city filled with labyrinthine interests and regulations, even today. Even something as banal as the Transit Authority doesn’t operate without the mafia getting their piece of the pie. None of this was a problem when he was donating thousands of dollars to high profile Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, Andrew Cuomo… yes, even Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, and he was always able to deflect and dodge state and federal investigations.

From 2011, he went from donating primarily to Democrat candidates, to exclusively backing Republican candidates. Unsurprisingly, that coincides with the emergence of his status as a criminal mastermind working with Putin to become the next Hitler. The chance any legally dubious methods he engaged in to shield his assets from tax or debt liabilities over the years just so happened to be uncovered for the first time since he became president approaches zero. It’s used as kompromat by his political enemies to seize his assets and remove any independent source of funding he might be able to leverage for his political ambitions. As noted previously, if the Party can do this to him, they can do it to anyone.

We see similar tactics used by Party elites in China to go after wealthy capitalists who run afoul of the Party line, magically uncovering massive tax fraud as a means to strip them of their assets and remove them from public life. Like in Trump’s case, the fraud allegations aren’t far-fetched - indeed, widespread corruption is endemic to China’s economic growth story. I just never thought I’d see the same naked politicization of law enforcement in a nominally pluralistic, western country like the US. The liberal establishment is completely drunk on its own dominance, and the precedents they have set using the levers of state power to target not just Trump, but any conservative who is perceived as a threat to them, may be the final nail in the coffin of our constitutional protections.

[Forward Observer]

An appeals court in New York has lowered Trump's bond requirement from over $450 million to only $175 million essentially thwarting Leticia James vendetta to start seizing his properties in New York based on Judge's Engoron's ruling while his legal team appeals the case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/n...d-reduced.html

In other news, Trump's Truth Social network has surged in value on the New York (NASDAQ) stock exchange to $70 a share bringing the total value to just over $9 billion. Trump holds the majority of this stock valued at just over $5 billion

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/t...ut-2024-03-26/

I think it's a little early to count "orange man bad" out financially

Cheers

[Coughdrop addict]

Donald Trump and his family have been in New York real estate for decades and are notoriously scummy, even by the standards of their fellow capitalist elites in the City. The guy routinely dodged taxes, misrepresented assets and liabilities, sourced capital and labor from known mobsters for years, for example, as did many other well known local developers. That’s just how you get things done in a large and very old city filled with labyrinthine interests and regulations, even today. Even something as banal as the Transit Authority doesn’t operate without the mafia getting their piece of the pie. None of this was a problem when he was donating thousands of dollars to high profile Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, Andrew Cuomo… yes, even Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, and he was always able to deflect and dodge state and federal investigations.

From 2011, he went from donating primarily to Democrat candidates, to exclusively backing Republican candidates. Unsurprisingly, that coincides with the emergence of his status as a criminal mastermind working with Putin to become the next Hitler. The chance any legally dubious methods he engaged in to shield his assets from tax or debt liabilities over the years just so happened to be uncovered for the first time since he became president approaches zero. It’s used as kompromat by his political enemies to seize his assets and remove any independent source of funding he might be able to leverage for his political ambitions. As noted previously, if the Party can do this to him, they can do it to anyone.

We see similar tactics used by Party elites in China to go after wealthy capitalists who run afoul of the Party line, magically uncovering massive tax fraud as a means to strip them of their assets and remove them from public life. Like in Trump’s case, the fraud allegations aren’t far-fetched - indeed, widespread corruption is endemic to China’s economic growth story. I just never thought I’d see the same naked politicization of law enforcement in a nominally pluralistic, western country like the US. The liberal establishment is completely drunk on its own dominance, and the precedents they have set using the levers of state power to target not just Trump, but any conservative who is perceived as a threat to them, may be the final nail in the coffin of our constitutional protections.

There is as much evidence that Joe Biden or Democrats or the DNC have anything to do with Trump's legal problems as there is that it is all your doing.

The idea that Trump facing punishment for his crimes means other people will just start being randomly fined or imprisoned is ridiculous. Do you think everyone knowingly doubles or triples their net worth on loan or credit card applications?

Trump is not being persecuted. If anything he's being treated like royalty. Making false statements on loan applications is a crime and is punishable by up to 30 years of imprisonment. If you had lied to get a house loan, or to reduce your property taxes, you would be going to prison.

[alhoon]

There is as much evidence that Joe Biden or Democrats or the DNC have anything to do with Trump's legal problems as there is that it is all your doing.

Well, if he has never been the PotUS, never have got involved in politics and was still doing the apprentice, there would be much less pressure to hunt him down by the democrats. While Trump is very much responsible for the crimes and frauds he committed, the judges in democrat leaning states etc are certainly going out of their way to "get him".

THAT SAID: On the exact same coin, on the other side, is the republican leaning judicial aparatus, which is doing everything possible to exonerate Trump. If Trump was never the PotUS, still doing the apprentice etc, there would be much less pressure to wash him clean by the Republicans.
And thanks to Moscow Mitch, way more judges are leaning Republican.


I.e. this is certainly a political farce of a trial. One side of partisan-aligned hacks try to bury Trump at any cost and another side of partisan-aligned hacks try to exonerate him at any cost.

[Coughdrop addict]

No alhoon, they "hunted down" Trump because he is a habitual, unapologetic, shameless, serial criminal who has been committing felonies both large and small for his entire 40+ year career. There is no evidence at all that his political affiliation or political aspirations have anything to do with it.

Rather, Trump's crimes are only now being subjected to the harsh spotlight of public scrutiny- and denounced, repudiated, and punished (as they should have been over 40 years ago) because we as a society are finally getting to the point that wealthy, powerful people are being held to the same laws as the rest of us, with Harvey Weinstein and P. Diddy as other examples. Trump always deserved to go to prison- it's only now that it seems likely that he will.

Justice and accountability are not political tools, they are the mainstays of a free society.

[swabian]

Trump will be re-elected to take his rightful throne. And the traumatization of his enemies will be widespread and glorious. It's gonna be so much fun.

[Coughdrop addict]

In this country there is no such thing as divine right. The presidency must be earned by getting more votes than one's opponent. Trump didn't, so he isn't president.

He has, however, set the record for most criminal indictments by a former president. He also will get to be the first president to go to prison.

[Coughdrop addict]

So far no million-strong army of Magas arriving in New York to free Trump and burn the city to the ground. Even they realize that he would happily leave every one of them to rot in jail were the situation reversed.

[alhoon]

So far no million-strong army of Magas arriving in New York to free Trump and burn the city to the ground. Even they realize that he would happily leave every one of them to rot in jail were the situation reversed.

Not really, no. They don't expect him to be jailed. Honestly, nor do I. Even if convicted, he will be out on probation. That he will promptly break if he loses the election and go to prison.
What a sad end to a sad career that would be; spending his twilight years behind bars. Former Celebrity, Former Playboy, Former Billionaire, ex-president... behind bar when he pushes 80.

[Muizer]

Even they realize that he would happily leave every one of them to rot in jail were the situation reversed.

Do they though? Or would they happily make that sacrifice for the Great Leader?

[Coughdrop addict]

Some of them yes, but for most it has become obvious Trump sees them as tools to be used and discarded. They will still vote for him, but the days of serious worry that they would be willing to launch a coup in his name are over.

[Coughdrop addict]

Once again, Trump is outright making things up: https://newrepublic.com/post/180900/...tal-fact-check

Donald Trump claimed that a massive police presence has shut down traffic for blocks around the Manhattan courthouse where his hush-money trial is being held, preventing his supporters from showing their support and protesting on his behalf. But reality looks a little different.
NBC News reporter Vaughn Hillyard posted a video outside the courthouse Tuesday morning. The clip shows a pretty quiet street fully open to traffic, with only one Trump supporter there, according to Hillyard.

Trump just claimed that the police have shut down the streets around the courthouse for blocks & that his protesters can’t be here.

Just…not true. There is one pro-Trump person here & the main street along the courthouse is open to traffic. pic.twitter.com/JyrH3ZkNrX
— Vaughn Hillyard (@VaughnHillyard) April 23, 2024

[alhoon]

Once again, Trump is outright making things up: [1152th time]

By that time, is anyone surprised? This is not going to hurt his electoral chances.
What is sooomewhat hurting him is that Far-left democrats are warming up to the idea that they may hate both Trump and Biden, but they should hate Biden less.

[Coughdrop addict]

https://www.newsweek.com/giuliani-me...-probe-1894003

Rudy Giuliani and Mark Meadows are reportedly among the 18 allies of former President Donald Trump who on Wednesday were indicted by an Arizona grand jury, accused in efforts to overturn the state's 2020 presidential election results, according to newly released court documents.
The charges include fraud, forgery and conspiracy, according to a statement from Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes' office.

Imagine if ten years ago I'd told you people would be ruining their lives and going to prison for Donald Trump. You'd have thought I was nuts.

[alhoon]

Imagine if 10 years ago you told us that several high-ranking Republicans would face trial over efforts to violently overturn an election. I would have thought you were mentally unstable.

[Coughdrop addict]

Apparently in the Magasphere the idea is being passed around that Trump should fire all of his lawyers and represent himself. Stable genius and all that.

the closest analogy I can think of for Trump representing himself would Major Kong riding the nuke out of the bomb bay in Doctor Strangelove.