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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    Also, you guys are wrong about Maçoğlu. First of all, he is not from the "Turkish Communist Party". He is from DHF(I might be mistaken about exact organization), a Maoist organization local to Dersim that is also part of HDP alliance.
    How's that a good thing? Like, what's the difference between a Maoist and a Hiterlist (or a communist)? I'm not thrilled at the prospect of Maoists gaining power anywhere; it doesn't sound like an improvement over Erdoganism, just a different brand of supremacism and corruption.

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    Maçoğlu entered the elections as a member of the Turkish Communist Party (TKP). HDP's apology was not to Maçoğlu but to the people of Tunceli for not performing well. They did not name Maçoğlu in nay part of their apology. They didn't promise to work with him but called for cooperation. Maçoğlu bid was supported by the Socialist Assembly Federation (SMF in Turkish), not Dersim Revolutionary Coalition (DDGB in Turkish). DDGB was formed by HDP against Maçoğlu. HDP parliament member Alican Önlü and Maçoğlu denied being in talks with Maçoğlu to form a coalition in January.
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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    How's that a good thing? Like, what's the difference between a Maoist and a Hiterlist (or a communist)? I'm not thrilled at the prospect of Maoists gaining power anywhere; it doesn't sound like an improvement over Erdoganism, just a different brand of supremacism and corruption.
    To be fair, Maoism is straight up dead. The Dersim region is known for Mao-inspired revolutionaries throughout the cold war. Even today, they have guerilla(TİKKO) that cooperate with PKK who also fight in Syria along with YPG.
    Dersim is basically a region the state never managed to assimilate or repress succesfully. People from there always become hardcore leftists and they are all over the country. In fact, almost half of leading PKK cadres are Dersim Alevites.

    Anyways, much of the radical left traditions have had to evolve. Him being a Maoist at this point does not really mean anything. Most he will do will be building cooperatives and creating communal institutions for farmers and stuff, organizing stuff to make pople do things together and lots of social aid to many services. Think of it like a very left wing municipality. That is all. His authority is limited by constitutions after all and I doubt he has any intentions to take over the world lol.
    He doesn't really have a radical political agende, in a realistic sense.
    His management will be much like that of HDP's. Cooperatives, social institutions etc...Typical progressivist stuff.
    HDP's problem with the guy is that he prioritizes economic stuff rather than the cultural issue of Kurdish identity. Its not that he does not support Kurdish movement, its more of a case that they don't see a point in prioritizing Kurdish ethnic identity. They see it as a secondary issue a revolutionary society will be able to solve anyways (by referring to Lenin's concept of self-determination right of nations).
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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    After two annoying weeks, Ekrem İmamoğlu finally received his certificate for majorship of Istanbul. Though AKP still objects with largely baseless allegations, but I don't think they will get any results, if they saw any possibility of reversing the situation, they would simply pressure on election committee to not give away the certificate that further legitimizes the result.

    Him at the town hall right after he received the certificate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSG05xvfH44

    Akp will do everything to besmear the new mayors in following 5 years, as if they do a good job it will significiantly damage Akp.

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    Sorry for double posting.

    This is still going on. Election results of Istanbul are annulled and it will be redone this sunday. AKP is giving great importance to this because opposition candidate is definietly going to run for presidentship in next general elections and he is quite popular. All government organizations and most of media has been constantly trying to besmear him like this is the most important issue of the country right now, Erdogan himself is doing rallies againts him(yes, president vs major candidate) and they even somehow made Ocalan, imprisoned leader of PKK write a letter, telling Kurds to refrain from supporting opposition candidate, which is ironic because on the other hand they accuse the candidate of having the support of PKK while they are using Ocalan for their own political gain.
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    Yup. The elections for only the metropolitan municipality will be renewed. The votes for municipality parliaments, neighborhood representatives and heads of municipalities are accepted without a problem even though they came out of the same ballot boxes. There have been no evidence of ballot tampering. So, in the past month or so Istanbul have been back in election process. AKP is doing its best to smear the opposition candidate but they're having a hard time and Imamoglu is expected to win with a larger margin.
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    The amount of lies and manipulation and hatred produced by the government and its media is mindblowing. It really is a struggle for decency. It is not a battle of ideologies.
    The damage they have done just to keep their power to this country is immeasurable....

    In anycase, this had given HDP a great opportunity to vindicate itself in the eyes of the non-Turk masses, but the party is so pressured and cornered that there is no leader to turn this into a score.

    It also seems clear that the whole talk about release of demirtaş was about this...they probably asked him to tell hdp to stay down in return for release. When that didn't work, they went straight for Öcalan and try to drive a wedge in the Kurdish movement in the hopes of getting what....10k, 50k votes? That might be a souns strategy for them.
    But the way the government handled this is so bad and they cannot stop social media...it seems to have backfired ridiculously.

    May this be an opportunity for Turkey to go towards better, democratic and more cohesive-peaceful-inclusive future.
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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    It’s scandalous that the Turkish Government even has the power to tell people to vote again. I hope you vote out Erdogan’s Islamist faction soon.
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    The first result shows that secularist CHP won a major victory with 54%. This is the greatest defeat Erdogan ever faced. People are celebrating at the streets and i'm going to join them.

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    750k margin, that was a crushing victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odenat View Post
    The first result shows that secularist CHP won a major victory with 54%. This is the greatest defeat Erdogan ever faced. People are celebrating at the streets and i'm going to join them.
    Does that mean you changed sides?
    Did you turn after the Apo annoucement?
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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    All my turkish friends are incredibly happy, great result for turkey

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    I wonder if Erdo will cancel the vote again. I mean third time's the charm right?

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    I heard the new mayor's speach thanking all minorities of the city that suported him begining from the Romans (Rum)...Romanity is still alive in the City of 2nd Rome. Lets hope that his modern ideas and democratic feelings will make Constantonople a great city to anyone worth visit again. Lets hope that FINALLY he will convince his Turkish fellow countrymen that NOW they are part of that lands and not still "conquerors" that go to bed with a constant fear that someone will reclaim what they conquered! Lets hope that modern Turks will embrace the history of the city as their own and stop feeling plunders and alliens.
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    Could you people please stop with this Rum and Constantinople . It was already a nuisance in this election period, AKP kept attacking him with such comments from Greek newspapers.

    He listed all ethnic and religious minorities in his speech, starting from Turks and Kurds, and its nothing special, every politician refers to different minorities in their speeches.

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    This was the map in 31st of March:


    Yellow/orange is AKP, with that dark blue to the left MHP (AKP's coalition ally). Red is CHP. These were the local municipality results for each 39 individual districts of Istanbul. For some reason, I can't find the mayoral results per each district.

    Now, this is the result today:


    Red is CHP. Yellow/orange is AKP.
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    A own goal for Erdogan's AKP.
    Cause tomorrow is a brand-new day
    And tomorrow you'll be on your way
    Don't give a damn about what other people say
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    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video...Upr.mp4?tag=10

    People are celebrating in their own ways : p

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    I heard the new mayor's speach thanking all minorities of the city that suported him begining from the Romans (Rum)...Romanity is still alive in the City of 2nd Rome. Lets hope that his modern ideas and democratic feelings will make Constantonople a great city to anyone worth visit again. Lets hope that FINALLY he will convince his Turkish fellow countrymen that NOW they are part of that lands and not still "conquerors" that go to bed with a constant fear that someone will reclaim what they conquered! Lets hope that modern Turks will embrace the history of the city as their own and stop feeling plunders and alliens.
    The history is there, it is not going anywhere.
    The people will eventually embrace this rich history, not as others but as part of the same identity.
    It just requires a liberalization-democratization with a proper, objective teaching of history.


    Islamist identity sees İstanbul as a product of conquest. Non-Islamists are divided between the nationalist outlook(which is mostly anti-Greek), and the identity which doesn't mind the various heritages and can in fact embrace them.

    It might look like a minor thing at this point, but I'd say it would be a milestone in the evolution of Turkish political mindset. Nationalists and Islamists would see this a threat of course, as this otherness is what they base their identity on.

    I am sure the current guy falls into the "embrace" category, but he is far to ahead in political terms even for his own voting base. So these things are not really an issue which we should even mention at this point.
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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    Didn't Erdogan claim that the now new mayor of Constantinople is greek?
    Curious to have a greek be part of the kemalist party. One would expect him to be like Kemal himself, ie jewish
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