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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Hehe. If Corbyn is anti-semite, than I'm anti-semite.If the Labour Party is antisemite, I'm antisemite. You should know that you can be pro-Palestine without being antisemite. Antisemitism does nothing for the Palestinian cause.
    I did not call Corbyn an anti-Semite. The Labour party, as a whole, isn't either. However anti-Semetism has been allowed to fester within the party, in part by Corbyn himself.
    Anti-Semetism plays a major part in their cause, which is why they teach it to their children through school and television. It is also a good way for them to gain support, seeing as anti-Semites are also going to be against Israel.
    That being said,what's the official stance of the UK on Palestine?
    From the www. Parliament UK,


    More?
    This is, btw, an extremely hypocritical stance for the UK to have, considering they were one of only 3 countries (together with Iraq and Pakistan) who recognised Jordanian annexation of the "West bank", Which was illegal for all the same reasons that they consider the Israeli occupation to be.
    But either way, obviously that is their stance. How is this relevant? We were discussing the designation of Hamas as a terrorist organisation, the stance on the two state solution has absolutely nothing to do with that. You're just trying to change the subject.
    UK voted in favour of Palestinians having more power in UN to lead largest country bloc in 2019, UN Vote on Palestine a Humiliating Defeat for US & its Envoy.



    More recently, the enraged Jewish lobby in the UK regretted UK didn't vote against anti-Israel motion at United Nations accusing Israel of possible war crimes and crimes against humanity.
    Again, absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about.

    I would says that democracy is getting out of hand in Israel. And Hungary, for example, Hungary to set up courts overseen directly by government - Reuters
    And I would disagree. Our supreme court has 3 times cancelled laws that were meant to allow banishment of illegal aliens that had entered our country, no matter how much the Knesset attempted to amend the laws to accommodate the supreme court's decision. The citizens of southern Tel-Aviv do not deserve to suffer because the court decides that their lives are less important than those of illegals.


    That must be the reason why "peace" deals (eg.the so called "deal of century") are concocted behind closed doors, to be imposed on the weaker parties. In this case, Palestine.
    The deal hasn't even been revealed to Israel yet, as the Trump administration was waiting until after the election and the formation of a government.
    There have been plenty of negotiations in more "open" conditions. Allow me to once again quote Bill Clinton on the one that took place at camp David, speaking about Yasser Arafat: "He did not negotiate in good faith; indeed, he did not negotiate at all. He just kept saying no to every offer, never making any counterproposals of his own,"

    Don't say...Israel continues to expand its remaining settlements as well as settling new areas. Settlements have become the hallmark of the Israeli colonial project in the west Bank, since a long time ago, considering that anywhere between 600,000 to 750,000 or more Israeli Jews now live in the Occupied Territories.

    The Maps of Israeli Settlements That Shocked Barack Obama | The New Yorker
    There were also settlements in the Sinai peninsula and Gaza, did we annex those?

    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Except Corbyn did not voice support for Hamas's terror tactics. Does supporting Hamas means that you support their every single action? Just like if you are pro-Israeli does it mean you support Dahiya doctrine?
    I wonder, would you have the same attitude if someone called ISIS their friends?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    I wonder, would you have the same attitude if someone called ISIS their friends?
    Because ISIL is so analogous to Hamas? Sigh... Let's accept your logic. I would feel the same when someone calls Israel their friends. Corbyn didn't call Hamas his friend though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Because ISIL is so analogous to Hamas? Sigh... Let's accept your logic. I would feel the same when someone calls Israel their friends. Corbyn didn't call Hamas his friend though...
    Then why does he regret doing it? Or are you trying to argue semantics?
    From my point of view, they are, both would treat me the same.. though actually, no, I think ISIS would be content with letting me pay the Jizya.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Then why does he regret doing it? Or are you trying to argue semantics?
    From my point of view, they are, both would treat me the same.. though actually, no, I think ISIS would be content with letting me pay the Jizya.
    I'm not really the one relying on semantics. Those who accused Corbyn of being an anti-semitic are. I actually watched the video where he is claimed to be calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends. He didn't. I expected better of Corbyn but he just gave in to the bullies' wishes and recanted from something he didn't do. Equating Hamas with ISIL, on the other hand, is a bigoted argument as much as it gets.
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    In fact Jewish settlers who go to the west bank from all over the world have more in common with ISIL than Hamas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    In fact Jewish settlers who go to the west bank from all over the world have more in common with ISIL than Hamas
    Elaborate.
    Have you abandoned your previous line of argument?
    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    I'm not really the one relying on semantics. Those who accused Corbyn of being an anti-semitic are. I actually watched the video where he is claimed to be calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends. He didn't. I expected better of Corbyn but he just gave in to the bullies' wishes and recanted from something he didn't do. Equating Hamas with ISIL, on the other hand, is a bigoted argument as much as it gets.
    He said "my friends in Hezbollah.. and my friends in Hamas". So yes, you are arguing semantics since he himself admitted that it wasn't fitting.
    Sure it is.


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    https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com...errorists/amp/

    I really don’t know what more evidence we need to know Corbz sympathises with Islamists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Elaborate.
    Have you abandoned your previous line of argument?
    He said "my friends in Hezbollah.. and my friends in Hamas". So yes, you are arguing semantics since he himself admitted that it wasn't fitting.
    Sure it is.
    It's really hilarious that your own position relies on semantics and you have it in it to say that I'm arguing semantics. He said "... where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking. I've also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak as well". He never stated any support for them or for their actions. Your position is evidently intellectually bankrupt.

    The ironic part is that people think he is an anti-Semite just because he was not hostile towards Hamas and Hezbollah for doing the least violent action that can perform, to speak in a gathering.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com...errorists/amp/
    I really don’t know what more evidence we need to know Corbz sympathises with Islamists.
    Actual evidence for a start would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    It's really hilarious that your own position relies on semantics and you have it in it to say that I'm arguing semantics. He said "... where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking. I've also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak as well". He never stated any support for them or for their actions. Your position is evidently intellectually bankrupt.
    You yourself state that he called them friends, yet say that I'm arguing semantics. Calling them friends is an expression of support. So is campaigning for the release of those of them who were convicted for murder.
    The ironic part is that people think he is an anti-Semite just because he was not hostile towards Hamas and Hezbollah for doing the least violent action that can perform, to speak in a gathering.
    I never said he was, and don't think he is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    You yourself state that he called them friends, yet say that I'm arguing semantics. Calling them friends is an expression of support. So is campaigning for the release of those of them who were convicted for murder.
    Nope, I didn't state that he called Hamas and Hezbollah friends. You're using a semantics game to claim that. Its petty argumentation at best. Just because you refer to people from an organization who are scheduled to talk in an assembly as friends from those organizations doesn't mean you're expressing support for them just like if he said "friends from Israel" it would not mean he somehow supports West Bank settlements.


    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    I never said he was, and don't think he is.
    I didn't say you did. It was a general comment. Though you seem to be implying towards claiming that he supported them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Nope, I didn't state that he called Hamas and Hezbollah friends. You're using a semantics game to claim that.
    No, you're the one using semantics to try and deny that. Saying "my friends from Hamas" means that the people in the Hamas terrorist organisation are his friends, since you can't be friends with an organisation, only the people in it. Unless you want to try and argue that he has very specific friends who happen to be in Hamas, that is what it means.
    Its petty argumentation at best. Just because you refer to people from an organization who are scheduled to talk in an assembly as friends from those organizations doesn't mean you're expressing support for them just like if he said "friends from Israel" it would not mean he somehow supports West Bank settlements.
    There are a lot of things you can support about Israel without even touching on the settlement subject, which is a minor one. Hamas's entire existence is about prolonging, or bringing a bloody end to, the conflict with Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, as recognised by the union of states that Corbyn's country happens to be part of.



    I didn't say you did. It was a general comment. Though you seem to be implying towards claiming that he supported them.
    I do think that he does, yes. If someone were to talk about having negotiations with ISIS, I'd equally take issue with them saying "I invite my friends from ISIS to come to the talks".


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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Lol. Most Russian's in Israel (me included) vote overwhelmingly right wing. Most of them vote for Netanyahu, or Lieberman.
    Many of them have business and family ties in Russia. Not to mention that there is no such thing as "former KGB", so to speak...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    No, you're the one using semantics to try and deny that. Saying "my friends from Hamas" means that the people in the Hamas terrorist organisation are his friends, since you can't be friends with an organisation, only the people in it. Unless you want to try and argue that he has very specific friends who happen to be in Hamas, that is what it means.
    Sigh... Not much more I can say against such petty logic. The guy was just being nice in recognition of the most peaceful thing someone could do, which is to talk in an assembly.


    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    There are a lot of things you can support about Israel without even touching on the settlement subject, which is a minor one. Hamas's entire existence is about prolonging, or bringing a bloody end to, the conflict with Israel. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, as recognised by the union of states that Corbyn's country happens to be part of.
    UK did not designate Hamas as a whole as a terror organization. Saying that Hamas's sole purpose is to prolong or bring a bloody end to the conflict with Israel makes up a very bigoted argument. Such a bigoted position is what Israel always used against Hamas, of course, starting with the 2006 elections.


    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    I do think that he does, yes. If someone were to talk about having negotiations with ISIS, I'd equally take issue with them saying "I invite my friends from ISIS to come to the talks".
    None of that means that he supports Hamas' actions just like it would not mean he supports Israel's actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Many of them have business and family ties in Russia. Not to mention that there is no such thing as "former KGB", so to speak...
    I have family in Russia. So? Is that supposed to make me vote for a socialist party?
    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Sigh... Not much more I can say against such petty logic. The guy was just being nice in recognition of the most peaceful thing someone could do, which is to talk in an assembly.
    How petty of me, taking issue with someone calling members of a terrorist organisation friends.
    UK did not designate Hamas as a whole as a terror organization. Saying that Hamas's sole purpose is to prolong or bring a bloody end to the conflict with Israel makes up a very bigoted argument. Such a bigoted position is what Israel always used against Hamas, of course, starting with the 2006 elections.
    I was talking about the EU, not the UK. For someone who often argues semantics, I'd expect better reading comprehension. "as recognised by the union of states that Corbyn's country happens to be part of." By the union his country is part of, meaning the European union.
    Have you read the Hamas chapter? I imagine you know which part I am referring to. Hamas's ally in Gaza, the "Islamic Jihad" (a charming name) is also not particularly pro-peace.


    None of that means that he supports Hamas' actions just like it would not mean he supports Israel's actions.
    Hard to support an organisation without supporting any of its actions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    How petty of me, taking issue with someone calling members of a terrorist organisation friends.
    Correction: you're taking issue with someone using a figure of speech to announce people from an organization that you consider a terror organization.


    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    I was talking about the EU, not the UK. For someone who often argues semantics, I'd expect better reading comprehension. "as recognised by the union of states that Corbyn's country happens to be part of." By the union his country is part of, meaning the European union.
    Have you read the Hamas chapter? I imagine you know which part I am referring to. Hamas's ally in Gaza, the "Islamic Jihad" (a charming name) is also not particularly pro-peace.
    We know very well what the process have been in the past decade or two. You are pushing an interpretation that ignores the reality of that.


    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Hard to support an organisation without supporting any of its actions.
    Same goes for Israel then.
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