It just went down in New Zealand

[Caduet]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111...tchurch-mosque

Mass shooting at mosque in NZ. Shooter decided to livestream the whole thing on his GoPro. ISIS-tier footage holy . Also definitely knew how to handle a gun. Liked meme music.

https://pastebin.com/bzZyMduP

Manifesto excerpt

• Did/do you personally hate muslims? A muslim man or woman living in their homelands? No. A muslim man or woman choosing to invade our lands live on our soil and replace our people? Yes, I dislike them. The only muslim I truly hate is the convert, those from our own people that turn their backs on their heritage, turn their backs on their cultures, turn their back on their traditions and became blood traitors to their own race. These I hate.
• Did/do you personally hate foreigners/other cultures? No, I spent many years travelling through many, many nations. Everywhere I travelled, barring a few small exceptions, I was treated wonderfully, often as a guest and even as a friend. The varied cultures of the world greeted me with warmth and compassion, and I very much enjoyed nearly every moment I spent with them. I wish the different peoples of their world all the best regardless of their ethnicity, race, culture of faith and that they live in peace and prosperity, amongst their own people, practicing their own traditions, in their own nations. But, if those same people seek to come to my peoples lands, replace my people, subjugate my people, make war upon on my people, ,hen I shall be forced to fight them, and hold nothing in reserve.
• Do you believe those you attacked were innocent? They are no innocents in an invasion, all those who colonize other peoples lands share guilt.

Reading more of the manifesto, I don't think an insanity defense is gonna fly, nor does it seem he would attempt it. He is very meticulous about listing his reasons for doing this.

So apparently the reason he used guns was to influence the gun debate in America and hopefully get Congress to take our guns, which he hopes will get Americans to fight their government finally. This aint your usual schizo off his meds.

[LewisVee]

The shooter videod it live! I don’t want to see the footage but have you seen it personally?

horrible horrible situation.

[Caduet]

Yea, dude says "subscribe to pewdiepie" before going on rampage, it was unreal. RIP memes, internet as we know it is dead after this.

[LewisVee]

This modern world is getting worse, far right extremists and religious extremists are a massive massive issue. I fear this could motivate more from
both sides to retaliate.

[swabian]

This modern world is getting worse, far right extremists and religious extremists are a massive massive issue. I fear this could motivate more from
both sides to retaliate.

That's the big erratum in my opinion: It's not getting worse (yet) it's getting better all the time. It's just that we're medially so tightly interconnected these days that it's probably too easy to observe what is going on in the world. This creates the illusion that hell is being raised (which is what the guy probably wanted), when actually the world becomes more safe day by day.

Btw i watched the video two times (the second time in order to stop and look into the guys face, because he filmed himself for 2 seconds or so)… what an utter :wub:. It's unbelievable. There was a woman he injured, writhing in pain on the ground and crying for help. The guy shot her without hesitation, like it's freaking computer game.
This guy is deeply disturbed and probably of the same brand as Behring-Breivik.
What does it help us to be aware of such things? It just exasperates us and leaves us frustrated. I don't know.

[Prodromos]

Quite tragic. Not surprised it was a channer, those communities are full of 20-something crazies with not much to live for.

[Caduet]

Quite tragic. Not surprised it was a channer, these communities are full of 20-something crazies with not much to live for.

• To Christians
• “The people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord, moan and fall under the weight of these outrages and most shameful humiliations. The race of the elect suffers outrageous persecutions, and the impious race of the Saracens respects neither the virgins of the Lord nor the colleges of priests. They run over the weak and the elderly, they seize the children from their mothers so that they might forget, among the barbarians, the name of God. That perverse nation profanes the hospices … The temple of the Lord is treated like a criminal and the ornaments of the sanctuary are robbed. “What more shall I say to you? “We are disgraced, sons and brothers, who live in these days of calamities! Can we look at the world in this century reproved by Heaven to witness the desolation of the Holy City and remain in peace while it is so oppressed? Is it not preferable to die in war rather than suffer any longer so horrible a spectacle? Let us all weep for our faults that raise the divine ire, yes, let us weep… But let not our tears be like the seed thrown into the sand. Let the fire of our repentance raise up the Holy War and the love of our brethren lead us into combat. Let our lives be stronger than death to fight against the enemies of the Christian people.”
• ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?

Also having skimmed the manifesto, he doesn't seem to mention the jews at all. Just explains he doesn't have a problem with israel and he isn't a mossad agent.

[Prodromos]

To Christians
ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?

Yeah I don't think so, champ.

[Caduet]

Yeah I don't think so, champ.

He states his reasoning quite clearly in the manifesto. Unless Christianity is somehow the core of chan culture it seems odd to blame the chans.

[Prodromos]

No one's "blaming" those sites, they're just where edgy 20-somethings gather and announce their plans to shoot up schools, etc. They're probably betting that politicizing their acts will help do more damage to society. Sadly, a lot of political ideologues will lap it up.

[mishkin]

Time to condemn fascism unabashedly (even yesterday an Italian politician praised some of Mussolini's policies) and to give condolences to all those affected.

No one's "blaming" those sites, they're just where edgy 20-somethings gather and announce their plans to shoot up schools, etc. They're probably betting that politicizing their acts will help do more damage to society. Sadly, a lot of political ideologues will lap it up.

These people are formed "ideologically" through internet sites where that trash is allowed and celebrated.

[PointOfViewGun]

According to New Zealand prime minister 40 people died with 20 injured.

[Cyclops]

Wretched terrorists, trying to turn communities against themselves. I think they don't believe in much actually, they just use violence to gain power. These four scum don't represent New Zealand or Australia.

[95thrifleman]

Wretched terrorists, trying to turn communities against themselves. I think they don't believe in much actually, they just use violence to gain power. These four scum don't represent New Zealand or Australia.

Since when has any terrorist truly represented the communities they came from?

[Commissar Caligula_]

Its pretty ed up. Apparently he included the Navy Seal copy pasta and other memes in his manifesto, and he played the "Remove Kebab" meme song to psyche himself up for the mass shooting.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

in NZ.

all those who colonize other peoples lands share guilt.

I can't be the only one who sees the irony here, can I?

He states his reasoning quite clearly in the manifesto. Unless Christianity is somehow the core of chan culture it seems odd to blame the chans.

I skimmed it a bit too:

Were/are you a christian?That is complicated. When I know, I will tell you. Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I am sure the journalists will love that. I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an
Eco-fascist by nature.

So, not a Christian, but a Fascist. I find it hard to claim Christianity as a main motivator when he can't even call himself a Christian.

[Copperknickers II]

Since when has any terrorist truly represented the communities they came from?

Never. But when has that accusation been made? All the time, by members of the far right, including some on this forum, when the terrorists are Muslim. We can now add New Zealand to the list, alongside Norway, of countries where far right extremist terrorists have killed more people in the last 20 years than Muslim terrorists have. No doubt the far right will be calling for a complete shutdown of Australians entering NZ until the situation is under control. Right, guys?

Its pretty ed up. Apparently he included the Navy Seal copy pasta and other memes in his manifesto, and he played the "Remove Kebab" meme song to psyche himself up for the mass shooting.

Never heard of Navy Seal copypasta until I looked it up just now. The 'Remove Kebab' meme is in fairness a Serbian military song intended to justify ethnic cleansing of Muslims (and Croats), so it's not exactly some innocent meme like Pepe the frog that will accrue an undeserved stain as a result of this disgusting and cowardly attack.

[Muizer]

Anyone else waiting for the right wing appeasers to wade in? You know, the ones who will denounce the violence but then turn around and say 'they fear' that's the way it's going to be unless we toughen our stance on immigration/integration?

[Prodromos]

Anyone else waiting for the right wing appeasers to wade in? You know, the ones who will denounce the violence but then turn around and say 'they fear' that's the way it's going to be unless we toughen our stance on immigration/integration?

That's just the reality of the situation. When populations collide there will be conflict.

[mishkin]

That's just the reality of the situation. When populations collide there will be conflict.

Oh. "It was logical that something like this happened". Cool.