I love how we have a Greek member chanting war and planning to invade Turkey but you talk about a hypothetical scenario of Turkey attacking France...
I love how we have a Greek member chanting war and planning to invade Turkey but you talk about a hypothetical scenario of Turkey attacking France...
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"We're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable."
I think the only thing to love here is how all this is due to Erdogan. The future is bright.
As much as he made it worse its not all or even half his doing. It has a lot to do with the sense of entitlement the Greeks feel over others.
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"We're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable."
Yes, given Greece is all of the south Euro countries, anyway, as was shown in the common announcement just these days.
It would be logical for Erdogan to back down, but he is a lunatic, so he will not. You shouldn't feel bad, though, maybe Turkey indeed is a superpower and everyone else is blind to this fact, therefore Turkey may indeed win something out of this instead of whatever not that good to happen.
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"We're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable."
Because of the simple Fact that even Greece cannot today say that they are entitled to do that - mostly in this Greece vs Turkey you always get some claims by both Sides while the one Side even can even rely on some real factual argument while other one just makes some political claims and their Source is always something which is not written in Latin alphabet:
http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-_destined-glory-2000_-exercise_br_no_193--_october-23_-2000.en.mfa
http://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-_nikiforos...3_-2000.en.mfa
...."demilitarized islands of Lemnos and Icaria" doesn´t sounds to me that someone has really his entitlement and also cannot provide anything or even an International Agreement about that.
Well, on the one hand we have the Eu, and two days ago the seven leaders of the south Eu countries, stating Greece and Cyprus have an EEZ and Turkey is acting illegally as usual.
On the other we have Nebaki, a TWC poster's statement.
It should be hard to choose what has merit. Unless of course one cares about the rest of the world and not Turkey.
I love how when the EU leaders criticize Greeks over their many issues those leaders are tyrants but when they're backing Greece over other issues they're the pinnacle of merit...
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"We're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable."
Like I said, POVgun, no need to worry. Unless Turkey actually isn't able to go against everyone else.
Pretty sure it can do it, so keep calm & continue.
If Turkey was a healthy democracy things would be safer but you have an autocrat who can’t back down in any issue to not show weakness...this has been going on for years and the issues are piling up. Syria, S-400, Israel, Cyprus, Greece so many issues where Erdogan canno lose. At some point something bad is bound to happen
^I think some of the turkish population actually buys all of the garbage Erdogan spews, and thinks Turkey is too big to fail or something like that. Or that they aren't another 2nd tier military power (like Greece), but something close to superpower status ala China/Russia/USA. And they take no notice of how things are going. Iran, territory-wise, is considerably larger than Turkey, and that seems to not make any superpower wary of going to war with it.
Anyway, the economic zone has to be finalized between Greece, Italy, Israel, Egypt and Cyprus, and be done with this ridiculous story.
You seem to have argued that to deflect from what I actually said. It was a rather cheap and meritless jab.
There have been quite many cases where Erdoğan backed down. Backing down is not a product of democracy. It's real politics. Circumstances are important to consider. As I always said, he could announce that he was Christian all along over night if he thought he'd personally gain more. What you all don't seem to realize is that by giving him an international loss you're playing into his hand. In many cases, a lot of the back and forth was likely mutually agreed upon by certain European leaders. Erdoğan becomes the Muslim Eastern boogyman while Europeans are seen as being out to undermine Turkey. Win win for both camps where actual progress is sacrificed.
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"We're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable."
You seem to be missing the fact that Cyprus is an internationally recognised SOVEREIGN COUNTRY, whereas "North Cyprus" is not. As a non-entity (politically speaking), "North Cyprus" doesn't get to have an EEZ.
Because they are neighbors of Turkey and Turkey should have the EEZs of its neighbors, because Turkey. Duh.Why shouldn’t cyprus or indeed Greece be entitled to its own EEZ?
Turkey acts like the neighborhood bully. Unless you punch the neighborhood bully in the face and leave him bloodied on the sidewalk said bully will always advance.
And there is something to be said of Cyprus here. Adherence to international law and the like is all nice and cute, but when you have such neighbors as Turkey, it always pays to carry as many weapons as possible. I think Cyprus should follow the example of Israel (so should Greece, btw) and abandon the softness in favour of a more militarised society. Israel has obligatory military service for women, for example, so should Greece and DEFINITELY Cyprus.
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