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    Turkey warns oil companies against drilling near Cyprus

    President Erdoğan calls foreign energy firms ‘bandits of the sea’ for defying Ankara over hydrocarbon resources

    The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has warned foreign oil companies against energy exploration near Cyprus, describing those defying Ankara as “bandits of the sea” who would face a similar response as its foes in Syria.

    Drilling for hydrocarbon resources off the coast of Cyprus, an EU member, is hugely sensitive. The northern third of the island is occupied by Turkey, which invaded in 1974 in response to a coup aimed at uniting the island with Greece. The breakaway portion was declared to be the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), which is recognised only by Ankara. UN-backed efforts to reunify the island have failed.
    Do you believe that Erdogan's claims on Cypriot resources are founded in anything else but brute strength?
    Do you agree with the mentality of Turkey, as presented by Erdogan, ie, that "my neighbor's resources are also mine, because I have a bigger army"?

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    who would face a similar response as its foes in Syria.
    Does he mean ISIS? if so, that just means that he'll buy oil from them, that's not too bad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Does he mean ISIS? if so, that just means that he'll buy oil from them, that's not too bad.
    I hadn't thought of that possibility.

    But it seems that Turkey states that if its neighbours find oil, then Turkey should have a piece of the pie:

    https://www.in.gr/2018/12/17/english...cyprus-greece/

    Akar sticks by claim of ‘azure fatherland’ in the seas off of Cyprus Greece
    Turkey has often made clear that its perceived interests include the territorial waters and Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZs) of its two neighbours.
    I mean, that's textbook bully behaviour.

    It seems that Erdo and Turkey are getting increasingly desperate. It would be such fun if Turkey were to try something. Already, a part of the "Blue Oyster" (or something similar) exercise of the turkish military involved "landing on an island of a hostile country".

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    The matter of fact is that the EEZ areas around the island of Cyprus is disputed. Parts of it belong to the north, parts of it belong to the south, and parts of it belong to Turkey. Each party has its own interpretation of what's whose and what's not.

    Sigh, I just noticed that this is an article from November 2018, about 4 months old...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Does he mean ISIS? if so, that just means that he'll buy oil from them, that's not too bad.
    Nope, he means the Kurds, which he treats worse than ISIS (he doesn't buy oil from them, he bombs them).

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    The matter of fact is that the EEZ areas around the island of Cyprus is disputed. Parts of it belong to the north, parts of it belong to the south, and parts of it belong to Turkey. Each party has its own interpretation of what's whose and what's not.
    These areas are disputed because a bully disputes them. If Montenegro disputes Greek ownership of Kozani, it doesn't mean we have to postpone digging for coal there. Same thing with the idiotic statements of the Turkish government. I believe Erdogan knows he has no real argument there and just tries to drive away investors or drive the price lower.
    Since it's oil companies we're talking about here, which are guys without the most clean business practices, he plays a dangerous game that could potentially see him ending like the Shah of Persia or Saddam's invasion of Kuwait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    These areas are disputed because a bully disputes them. If Montenegro disputes Greek ownership of Kozani, it doesn't mean we have to postpone digging for coal there. Same thing with the idiotic statements of the Turkish government. I believe Erdogan knows he has no real argument there and just tries to drive away investors or drive the price lower.
    Since it's oil companies we're talking about here, which are guys without the most clean business practices, he plays a dangerous game that could potentially see him ending like the Shah of Persia or Saddam's invasion of Kuwait.
    We don't really have a bully and a victim here. We have bullies. Both Turkey and Greece are bullies in their own mechanisms. Montenegro doesn't really have a border with Greece, nor has an issue with Greek sovereignty that pretty much requires bilateral agreements. Turkey, Northern Cyprus, Greece and Southern Cyprus do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    We don't really have a bully and a victim here. We have bullies. Both Turkey and Greece are bullies in their own mechanisms. Montenegro doesn't really have a border with Greece, nor has an issue with Greek sovereignty that pretty much requires bilateral agreements. Turkey, Northern Cyprus, Greece and Southern Cyprus do.
    Yeah, that's not gonna fly. ExxonMobil doesn't recognize this "Northern Cyprus". Neither does anybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    We don't really have a bully and a victim here. We have bullies. Both Turkey and Greece are bullies in their own mechanisms. Montenegro doesn't really have a border with Greece, nor has an issue with Greek sovereignty that pretty much requires bilateral agreements. Turkey, Northern Cyprus, Greece and Southern Cyprus do.
    Don’t you mean Cyprus and Turkey

    The Islamisation of Cyprus under Erdogan is bad enough, without him having other plans for European territory.
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    Don’t you mean Cyprus and Turkey
    Nope. I mean Turkey, Northern Cyprus, Greece and Southern Cyprus. These are the entities that are party to the current conflict.
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    Yeah, that's not gonna fly. ExxonMobil doesn't recognize this "Northern Cyprus". Neither does anybody else.
    Exactly.

    International recognition

    Turkey is the only country which recognises Northern Cyprus and has an embassy in North Nicosia. Northern Cyprus has an embassy in Ankara.

    In 2005, Yahya Jammeh, then President of Gambia, said that his country was ready to recognise the independence of Northern Cyprus. The Cypriot government protested and Gambia did not recognise the TRNC.[2]

    Azerbaijan and Gambia expressed their willingness to eventually formally recognise the TRNC. They so far have not followed through, but their informal contacts have increased. Also, diplomats from other countries have recently officially visited the TRNC Embassy in Ankara to hold meetings with the TRNC Ambassador. The latest nation to state their intention to (positively) change its policy towards TRNC is Paraguay.
    Recognition withdrawn

    In 1983 Bangladesh and Pakistan withdrew recognition after UNSC Resolution 541 and international pressure.[when?][3][4]

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Nope. I mean Turkey, Northern Cyprus, Greece and Southern Cyprus. These are the entities that are party to the current conflict.
    You seem to be a bit confused: There is no state called "Northern Cyprus".
    Perhaps you mean "the Northern, illegally occupied part of a sovereign state" ?

    Also, which conflict is that exactly? The oil companies ignore the bully's barking about countries that exist only in his head and oil fields that are south of the occupied part illegally held.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    You seem to be a bit confused: There is no state called "Northern Cyprus".
    Perhaps you mean "the Northern, illegally occupied part of a sovereign state" ?

    Also, which conflict is that exactly? The oil companies ignore the bully's barking about countries that exist only in his head and oil fields that are south of the occupied part illegally held.
    There are two states on Cyprus. Whether one of them is recognized or not does not change the reality on the ground. The conflict is about the dispute between the north and the south which covers variety of topics. The oil companies are not always solely interested in the area that falls within the Southern Cyprus zone of control. Certain sections do coincide with that of Northern Cyprus. That's how the part of the conflict that revolves around natural resources became an issue in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    There are two states on Cyprus. Whether one of them is recognized or not does not change the reality on the ground. The conflict is about the dispute between the north and the south which covers variety of topics. The oil companies are not always solely interested in the area that falls within the Southern Cyprus zone of control. Certain sections do coincide with that of Northern Cyprus. That's how the part of the conflict that revolves around natural resources became an issue in the first place.
    There is no Northern Cyprus, so the whole EOZ is that of the Republic of Cyprus. The conflict became an issue because Turkey doesn't want to be left out of the party just because neither they nor the illegal state they support have legal means to be invited to the party.
    However, despite what Erdogan barks, the oil companies ignore him.

    This is not done out of love for legality, mind you. Had Erdogan suddenly came to the table offering the companies a much better deal than what Cyprus and Israel does and you would hear the oil companies singing a different tune.
    However, since the politicians in support of those companies are elected by people that like Cyprus and Israel more than Turkey, it is very hard to Erdogan to find a deal good enough for the oil companies to bite. A little more money is not worth the lost goodwill of their political backers for those companies.
    A lot more money though is.

    Thankfully, Erdogan has not found a way to give that money out yet. If he does, you will start hearing about those "two states of Cyprus" nobody recognizes at the time and the "status quo for half a century should define politics", "it is time to bury the hatchet for the good of everyone", "think of the children!" etc etc.
    And then a lot of money to Cypriots to influence their vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    There is no Northern Cyprus, so the whole EOZ is that of the Republic of Cyprus. The conflict became an issue because Turkey doesn't want to be left out of the party just because neither they nor the illegal state they support have legal means to be invited to the party.
    However, despite what Erdogan barks, the oil companies ignore him.

    This is not done out of love for legality, mind you. Had Erdogan suddenly came to the table offering the companies a much better deal than what Cyprus and Israel does and you would hear the oil companies singing a different tune.
    However, since the politicians in support of those companies are elected by people that like Cyprus and Israel more than Turkey, it is very hard to Erdogan to find a deal good enough for the oil companies to bite. A little more money is not worth the lost goodwill of their political backers for those companies.
    A lot more money though is.

    Thankfully, Erdogan has not found a way to give that money out yet. If he does, you will start hearing about those "two states of Cyprus" nobody recognizes at the time and the "status quo for half a century should define politics", "it is time to bury the hatchet for the good of everyone", "think of the children!" etc etc.
    How could there be an illegal state if Northern Cyprus does not exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    How could there be an illegal state if Northern Cyprus does not exist?
    Well, state is a misnomer. The part of Cyprus that is illegally occupied and Turkey pretends it is a state.

    Regardless, that part is not Northern Cyprus and the oil belongs to Cyprus.
    For the time. As long as it is politically and economically convenient for the parties involved.

    If we were muslims and you were Christians, Northern Cyprus would be a reality and much of the profit would be getting to their pockets.

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    Well, state is a misnomer. The part of Cyprus that is illegally occupied and Turkey pretends it is a state.

    Regardless, that part is not Northern Cyprus and the oil belongs to Cyprus.
    For the time. As long as it is politically and economically convenient for the parties involved.

    If we were muslims and you were Christians, Northern Cyprus would be a reality and much of the profit would be getting to their pockets.
    The more you rely on such petty arguments the more it shows how petty your position is. Whether you like it or not, a state, shortly labeled as Northern Cyprus, exists on Cyprus. Though I do commend you on acknowledging how your position is born out of convenience. Thank you for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    The more you rely on such petty arguments the more it shows how petty your position is. Whether you like it or not, a state, shortly labeled as Northern Cyprus, exists on Cyprus. Though I do commend you on acknowledging how your position is born out of convenience. Thank you for that.
    They are not petty arguments, they are legal arguments. Virtually nobody recognizes anything called "North Cyprus".
    And indeed, they don't because it is not convenient. I hold no illusions that the security council nations of UN would hold that position if it was more convenient and beneficial for them to backstab us and support the illegal occupation of Cyprus. It would stop being "illegal" occupation and it would be a legal partitioning... or they would support Turkey taking out Cyprus completely and handing it over to the Turkocypriots and the settlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    They are not petty arguments, they are legal arguments. Virtually nobody recognizes anything called "North Cyprus".
    And indeed, they don't because it is not convenient. I hold no illusions that the security council nations of UN would hold that position if it was more convenient and beneficial for them to backstab us and support the illegal occupation of Cyprus. It would stop being "illegal" occupation and it would be a legal partitioning... or they would support Turkey taking out Cyprus completely and handing it over to the Turkocypriots and the settlers.
    That's not how it works. You seem to be confusing a bunch of concepts. Northern Cyprus does exist, legally, and de facto. Whether its a sovereign state or not does not contradict that. You can call it an illegal state too if you want, but again, its an entity that does exist. The declaration of independence, that came after 9 years of effort by the Turks to reunify the island, was deemed illegal by the UN. That, however, doesn't mean there is a state that is a legal party to a bilateral peace process.
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    What is Turkey’s claim to Cyprus POVG?

    The ‘state’ you are referring to is a de-facto administrator of the Northern portion of Cyprus. Turkey first established an admin in 1974 after the invasion to allow them to occupy the region. There are still Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus.

    Northern Cyprus does exist, legally, and de facto.
    De facto, yes, de jure or legally, no. Northern Cyprus is not a party to any negotiations on Cyprus.

    The Islamic State of Syria and the Levant exists too. Northern Cyprus has the same legality as ISIL/ISIS.

    And, if Northern Cyprus is an independent sovereign nation, why is Turkey involved? Why does Erdogan care about oil drilling? Are you sure it isn’t just a Turkish occupation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    What is Turkey’s claim to Cyprus POVG?
    The ‘state’ you are referring to is a de-facto administrator of the Northern portion of Cyprus. Turkey first established an admin in 1974 after the invasion to allow them to occupy the region. There are still Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus.
    De facto, yes, de jure or legally, no. Northern Cyprus is not a party to any negotiations on Cyprus.
    The Islamic State of Syria and the Levant exists too. Northern Cyprus has the same legality as ISIL/ISIS.
    And, if Northern Cyprus is an independent sovereign nation, why is Turkey involved? Why does Erdogan care about oil drilling? Are you sure it isn’t just a Turkish occupation?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Turkish_Cypriot_Administration
    Turkey has no claim over Cyprus. Northern Cyprus does. An administration was set up in 1974, named Autonomous Turkish Cypriot Administration, to administer the region under Turkish control while peace negotiations continued as the purpose at this point was to bring the island back to the situation in 1960. A year later leaders of Northern and Southern Cyprus, respectively Denktaş and Clerides, signed a population exchange treaty under UN supervision. As negotiations did not promise a quick deal Turkish Federated State of Cyprus was established in 1975 as part of the Republic of Cyprus, not as a separate state as at the time they were still hoping to remain as a single state. Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was only unilaterally established as a separate state in 1983, 8 years after failed negotiations in countless proposals.

    To say that Northern Cyprus is as much of a state as the ISIL is quite an insult and an utterly idiotic statement. Northern Cyprus may only be recognized as a sovereign state by Turkey, but it is recognized as a constituent state by Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), as an observer by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) and the Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO), as well as the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC). Its a state that's been in existence for decades with its own constitution and elections. It's been taking part in negotiations for decades now. In the end, it will be the signature of the president of the Northern Cyprus that will be on that peace agreement.

    Northern Cyprus simply relies on Turkey militarily just like Southern Cyprus relies on Greece. Just like there are troops from Turkey on Northern Cyprus, there are troops from Greece in Southern Cyprus. In fact, the invasion of the island happened days before any Turkish soldier from Turkey set foot on the island. As part of their effort to conduct a coup and ethnically cleanse the island, the Greek officers from Greece conducted the coup. Makarios himself, addressing the UN Security Council, called their action an invasion. The same Greek force, ELDYK, that took place in the coup against Makarios and the ethnic violence, continues to exist on Southern Cyprus. Perhaps, the only part of Cyprus that is not under occupation is the British military bases...
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