descr_rebel_factions

[Gigantus]

Not sure to be honest - ages ago shortly after 1648's release. But knowing me I would guess it was script, I did the screen shot as proof of concept for the banner symbols.

Edit: must have been descr_strat. I used the following code for these fresh spawns (top row descr_strat, bottom row script):



descr_strat, slave faction's section - note that omission of sub faction was acceptable, banner symbol reverted to culture of region's owner (moors - ME) in that case. Anyone noticed the different directions the armies face? strat=straight, script=left

character    random name, general, male, age 26, x 102, y 43 
army
unit        Spear Militia                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0


character    sub_faction england, random name, general, male, age 26, x 104, y 43 
army
unit        Spear Militia                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0


character    sub_faction sicily, random name, general, male, age 26, x 106, y 43 
army
unit        Spear Militia                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

script - all armies use the banner symbol based on the region owner's culture. Brigand spawns do the same.

monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal
        spawn_army 
            faction slave
            character    random_name, general, age 30, x 102, y 41
            unit        Mongol Bodyguard        exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
        end
        spawn_army 
            faction slave, sub_faction england
            character    random_name, general, age 30, x 104, y 41
            unit        Mongol Bodyguard        exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
        end
        spawn_army 
            faction slave, sub_faction sicily
            character    random_name, general, age 30, x 106, y 41
            unit        Mongol Bodyguard        exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
        end
end_monitor

Note: I changed the sub_faction entries to hre and scotland respectively in both codes - it only effected a change in accent with the descr_strat entry (given the previous observation rather obviously).

Should the region be owned by the slaves then the 'creator' entry defines the banner symbol used, see the settlements and slave army below, Breslau is Polish\EE, rest is German\NE:

[Withwnar]

Thanks for testing. That confirms what I thought you were saying in the link I posted. Ergo, sub_faction does nothing in script. No harm but no point in using it.

[Titus le Chmakus]

Yeah thanks for confirming, it will help me A LOT ! I will not have to change it in my script ! Got 197 settlements to add, so I just need to amend the SettlementName !

Thanks guys !

[Titus le Chmakus]

The second version (still missing that comma) has an added IF section which is not really needed, it can be included in the original one, else it's otherwise the same. I am guessing that the 'GeneralCaptureSettlement' essentially tests for a change in settlement ownership and is not dependent on a preceding battle as the phrase suggests. The 'wait' makes sure that the takeover is completed and hence the following test (the IF sequence owner condition) is then testing for that new owner.
Hence my suggestion to simply test for the 'attacker' - eg the new owner.

monitor_event GeneralCaptureSettlement SettlementName Settlement_017
        and FactionType slave         ; faction of new owner
        destroy_units slave sea_faring
        spawn_army 
            faction slave, sub_faction portugal
            character    random_name, named character, age 25, x 87, y 187
            traits GoodCommander 1
            unit        Bodyguard Knights            exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
            unit        Waterdhavian Bowmen            exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
            unit        Waterdhavian Swordsmen        exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
            unit        Knights Samular                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
        end
        terminate_monitor
end_monitor

What do you think of Quintus' post in the other topic ? Won't this destroy_unit kill ALL the slave units around the map ? Or will it only affect that particular settlement ? If it kills all the units worldwide, is there another way of cleaning a settlement before spawning the units I want ? How about kill_unit ?

[Gigantus]

destroy_unit will only kill the units with the seafaring attribute - all over the map for the defined faction.

There normally is no way to 'clean' an existing garrison, in this case however I had the impression that you were creating an army that occupies the city? If not then it's not really a problem - creating a garrison via script will simply 'top up' the existing units. Any 'overflow' (beyond 20) will be disregarded, so it makes sense to give thought to the sequence and quantity of the script lines that add the garrison.

[Withwnar]

Anyone noticed the different directions the armies face? strat=straight, script=left

Hehe, yeah. You can face them any direction you like though...

        spawn_army 
            faction slave
            character    random_name, named character, age 30, x 102, y 41, direction S
            unit        Mongol Bodyguard        exp 6 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
        end

What do you think of Quintus' post in the other topic ? Won't this destroy_unit kill ALL the slave units around the map ? Or will it only affect that particular settlement ? If it kills all the units worldwide, is there another way of cleaning a settlement before spawning the units I want ? How about kill_unit ?

All slave units that have that attribute. Everywhere. destroy_units doesn't have a "where" parameter (just faction and unit type/attribute) - this is a big clue that "where" is not something you have control over. How would it know where you want them destroyed? Because it happens to be inside a monitor that is dealing with a settlement? The destroy_units command (or any command) wouldn't know that.

This is the only way I know to clear a settlement, by giving the settlement to the faction that already owns it. It is mentioned in there. The current units exit the settlement. They aren't killed.

Do you really need to empty the settlement though? Does it matter that there might a few units in there beyond the ones you're scripting into it? It would be much much easier if you just let them stay.

Also, do you really need a general (named character) to be spawned? If not then instead of spawn_army you could simply create units directly into the settlement...

console_command create_unit Settlement_017 "Waterdhavian Bowmen" 1 0 0 0
console_command create_unit Settlement_017 "Waterdhavian Swordsmen" 1 0 0 0
console_command create_unit Settlement_017 "Knights Samular" 1 0 0 0

[Gigantus]

Hehe, yeah. You can face them any direction you like though...

I know - it was just weird that the default entry had them facing different directions.

Also, do you really need a general (named character) to be spawned? If not then instead of spawn_army you could simply create units directly into the settlement...

console_command create_unit Settlement_017 "Waterdhavian Bowmen" 1 0 0 0
console_command create_unit Settlement_017 "Waterdhavian Swordsmen" 1 0 0 0
console_command create_unit Settlement_017 "Knights Samular" 1 0 0 0

That's what I had meant with 'sequence and quantity of script lines' - thanks for detailing, I really shouldn't get this lazy.

[Titus le Chmakus]

What I would like to do is having rebels spawning in the country side to be different from the one spawning when a city rebels.

When a city rebels the game takes the units from descr_rebel_factions. But it does not fit to my mod. Example I want orcs to act as brigands but the city tp have humans when it rebels. Is this possible ?

[QuintusSertorius]

What I would like to do is having rebels spawning in the country side to be different from the one spawning when a city rebels.

When a city rebels the game takes the units from descr_rebel_factions. But it does not fit to my mod. Example I want orcs to act as brigands but the city tp have humans when it rebels. Is this possible ?

Yes, but not in the way you're trying to do it. Set the revolt-appropriate units in the descr_rebel_factions, because you're never going to get city revolts working with the script. Set the brigand-spawning chance in the descr_strat to as low as it will go, or zero if it will let you (as an aside, how do you do that? Is there a value that stops them altogether?).

Then you need a "brigand" script, which spawns your orcs and other monsters in the countryside. This can be done in a single monitor, something like this:

    monitor_events PreFactionTurnStart FactionType slave
        generate_random_counter BanditSpawn 1 4 ; generating a random number between 1 and 4
        if I_EventCounter BanditSpawn < 2 ; 25% chance of triggering every turn
            ; add loops for Settlement_001 to Settlement_016
            ; Settlement_017
            generate_random_counter Settlement_017_Bandits 1 5 ; generating a random number between 1 and 5
            if I_EventCounter Settlement_017_Bandits < 2 ; 20% change of triggering
                spawn_army
                    character	random_name, named character, age 30, x nnn, y nnn
                    traits	Whatever 1
                    unit	OrcDudes	exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit	OrcDudes	exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit	OrcDudes	exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit	OrcDudes	exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                end
            end_if
            ; add loops for Settlement_018 to Settlement_199
        end_if
    end_monitor

[Titus le Chmakus]

Hi Quintus and thanks for thaty but it is a bit over my modding skills ! So can you please detail it a bit more ?

 monitor_events PreFactionTurnStart FactionType slave ok that one is easy
        generate_random_counter BanditSpawn 1 4 ; generating a random number between 1 and 4 got that one too
        if I_EventCounter BanditSpawn < 2 ; 25% chance of triggering every turn ok
            ; add loops for Settlement_001 to Settlement_016 I don't understand this comment. Do I need to replace it with something ? 
            ; Settlement_017 same
            generate_random_counter Settlement_017_Bandits 1 5 ; generating a random number between 1 and 5 ok 
            if I_EventCounter Settlement_017_Bandits < 2 ; 20% change of triggering ok but why making a second counter ? What is the difference with the one above (BanditSpawn) ?
                spawn_army
                    character	random_name, named character, age 30, x nnn, y nnn
                    traits	Whatever 1
                    unit	OrcDudes	exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit	OrcDudes	exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit	OrcDudes	exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit	OrcDudes	exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                end
            end_if
            ; add loops for Settlement_018 to Settlement_199 what here ?
        end_if
    end_monitor

Sorry to be a pain ! That sample you gave is for Settlement_017. What would it be for Settlement_001 and Settlement_002 ? So that I understand the logic !

Thanks a lot

[QuintusSertorius]

It means you need to replicate a loop like I've done for Settlement_017 for every other settlement. Each settlement needs it's own IF loop with it's own random_counter (so for Settlement_001 it would be Settlement_001_Bandits), spawn location, and mix of units.

The line ; Settlement_017 is a label to break up what will be a very long column of code, so you can identify each settlement.

The purpose of two random counters is to break up the frequency. You could dispense with the first one altogether and just have the individual ones, normally I'd have used a seasonal counter for the first, but I don't know if you're using them.

[Gigantus]

The first two plain commented lines are just that - comments, eg describing what is following: a loop for settlement_017.
Which then makes the bottom commented line self explanatory: 'add the same loop (adjusted for different settlement names) here.

Rule of thumb:

commented sections at the end of a line explain the line's functioning
commented lines on their own refer to the coming script section, either to explain or as a simple header

technically Quintus should have used boxed brackets for the last comment as that normally indicates variables to placed

Edit: and ninja'ed

[Titus le Chmakus]

It means you need to replicate a loop like I've done for Settlement_017 for every other settlement. Each settlement needs it's own IF loop with it's own random_counter (so for Settlement_001 it would be Settlement_001_Bandits), spawn location, and mix of units.

Ok this makes sense !

The line ; Settlement_017 is a label to break up what will be a very long column of code, so you can identify each settlement.

Allright

The purpose of two random counters is to break up the frequency. You could dispense with the first one altogether and just have the individual ones, normally I'd have used a seasonal counter for the first, but I don't know if you're using them.

That is where I'm lost ... What does the first random_counter does ? Does it add more "chances" factor ?
I mean, you have 25% chances of fireing that trigger and if it fires, then there is another 20% chances of fireing the second trigger (which is the one spawning) ? Is this right ? So in total, that is 5% chances of triggerning ... Why not then

monitor_events PreFactionTurnStart FactionType slave
            generate_random_counter Settlement_017_Bandits 1 20
            if I_EventCounter Settlement_017_Bandits < 2
                spawn_army
                    character    random_name, named character, age 30, x nnn, y nnn
                    traits    Whatever 1
                    unit    OrcDudes    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit    OrcDudes    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit    OrcDudes    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                    unit    OrcDudes    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
                end
            end_if
    end_monitor

Is it possible to do this in a random location inside a set region, instead of a precise location ?


Sorry, I forgot to answwer your question. The % chances of spawning bandits randomly are delt by a multiplier between descr_strat and descr_rebel_faction. In descr_rebel_faction, the "chance line" is multiplied by the value on the line "brigands_spawn_value", few lines under the timescale line.

[QuintusSertorius]

The first one isn't really necessary, you could do it as you've posted. Though 5% chance of each one triggering every round averages out at something like 10 bandit spawns a turn, every turn.

[Titus le Chmakus]

Thanks

How about spawning the brigands anywhere in a Region, rather than in a precise location ?

[QuintusSertorius]

Not possible. You can't randomise co-ordinates in the script, you have to choose somewhere.

In the version of this I'm going to do (disabling the hardcoded bandit spawns), I'm going to have three spawns per region, with the smallest most likely, the largest least likely, different locations for all three.

[Titus le Chmakus]

Lol did I give you any idea ?

Thansk for that anyway !

[QuintusSertorius]

We're already using defined peasant_revolt in EBII with undefined bandit - it means the bandit spawns are rubbish. Sometimes it'll be 3 levy skirmishers, which are just an annoyance and aren't a balanced army. Not to mention that they're always Captain-led, which is pointless.

[Titus le Chmakus]

Depends on what is set in the descr_rebel_factions. Code them with only Heavy elite units instead of levy skirmishers and it won't be that pointless

[QuintusSertorius]

Depends on what is set in the descr_rebel_factions. Code them with only Heavy elite units instead of levy skirmishers and it won't be that pointless

Nothing to do with it. There's nothing coded for bandits in the descr_rebel_factions - because peasant_revolt is defined. As you discovered upthread, you can only choose one of them.

It appears to do some sort of random selection from the peasant_revolt list.