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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Nope. That's a lie that people tell to comfort themselves in case the community rises up as a whole. People want to rule. They like that people that are less fortunate are left behind. They hate it when they're not snowflakes. I don't really care if education and health care being free is communism. People should be able to have access to basic needs. To equate such ideas with making everything free shows how little merit your position has. You are forced to make stuff up.
    Public education and health care is not free. A minimum standard of living can be guaranteed with welfare benefits. But the state giving people everything they want: a house, a workplace, goods, etc. is a step too far. Now i know that historically, socialists have argued for a right to work, but these would almost always be short-term employment in expensive public projects or nonsensical overstaffing in companies.

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    Public education and health care is not free. A minimum standard of living can be guaranteed with welfare benefits. But the state giving people everything they want: a house, a workplace, goods, etc. is a step too far. Now i know that historically, socialists have argued for a right to work, but these would almost always be short-term employment in expensive public projects or nonsensical overstaffing in companies.

    "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a slogan by Karl Marx for the philosophy of communism.
    Sigh... Yes, people pay for the education and health care with their taxes. It's a rather petty point to use. People do understand when someone says that education and health care to be made free they don't mean no one contributes to its expenses. No, nobody talks about the state giving everything people want. Just because you try to push the conversation to a goal post that nobody is arguing for doesn't make it a valid issue. You have no sensible position if you ground yourself in reality, hence, all the deflections from talking about the real issues.
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    Default Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Baffling Idiotic "Green New Deal," and why it will harm efforts to combat Global Warming

    "No, nobody talks about the state giving everything people want."
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    So about their document that advocates free housing, healthcare, food, jobs for all, education for all. It seems like not even socialism, it just looks like Communism.
    It took you 6 minutes to realize how ridiculous your statement that I put in bold sounded?
    Free everything and abolishing money is trying to jump to communism in one step,...
    Nope. That's a lie that people tell to comfort themselves in case the community rises up as a whole. People want to rule. They like that people that are less fortunate are left behind. They hate it when they're not snowflakes. I don't really care if education and health care being free is communism. People should be able to have access to basic needs..
    "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a slogan by Karl Marx for the philosophy of communism.

    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    You have no sensible position if you ground yourself in reality
    My sensible position is grounded in reality, unlike socialist pipe dreams. My position is that of a moderate.
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    Default Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Baffling Idiotic "Green New Deal," and why it will harm efforts to combat Global Warming

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    "No, nobody talks about the state giving everything people want."
    My sensible position is grounded in reality, unlike socialist pipe dreams. My position is that of a moderate.
    If that was the case you wouldn't be pushing this vague deflection.
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    There are no political solutions to any 21st century problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Nope. That's a lie that people tell to comfort themselves in case the community rises up as a whole. People want to rule. They like that people that are less fortunate are left behind. They hate it when they're not snowflakes. I don't really care if education and health care being free is communism. People should be able to have access to basic needs. To equate such ideas with making everything free shows how little merit your position has. You are forced to make stuff up.
    You do realize that even if certain goods or services are "free" they still cost money, right?

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    You do realize that even if certain goods or services are "free" they still cost money, right?
    That's why God gave us taxation. If the uber-rich don't pay their whack, or worse avoid it altogether, that means working people pay more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyffhäuser View Post
    There are no political solutions to any 21st century problem.
    I would say that there are no conventional solutions to any 21st century problem. Western electorates are still stuck in 1970's 80's style thinking, that they deserve more, at the expense of others, if necessary. Hopefully this utterly selfish generation will die out soon.
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    Default Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Baffling Idiotic "Green New Deal," and why it will harm efforts to combat Global Warming

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    You do realize that even if certain goods or services are "free" they still cost money, right?
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