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    swabian's Avatar igni ferroque
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    Netanyahu is great. He's like salt strewn on a bucked filled with antisemtic slugs, slowly and painfully revealing them to be the slime they truly are.

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    I don't see how pointing out that the "alliance" with Israel being a major fiscal liability for US is in any way anti-Semitic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    The "Israel contributes to stability in Middle East" is an argument that one can make, but its validity merely depends on partisan stance or bias in geopolitical assessment....
    I don't think Israel as it currently exists, or in the way it was created, contributes to stability in the region. If anything it is a destabilising presence in an already unstable region (but that's debatable, maybe it would be just as bad without Israel there).

    Israel definitely has created a small area within its borders of peaceful and relatively harmonious stability in a region known for injustice, corrupt tyranny and truly evil sectarian violence. It definitely suffers from external interference, going back to its creation and has inherited something like apartheid mandated by the UN, and traceable through Ottoman legal provisions back to the Roman Empire (and arguably to Cyrus). Israel has been subject to all these external influences and it has shaped their policy and very existence: they can't be blamed for this surely. If we are arguing Israel has controlled every major Empire in the region since the late Iron Age its a little too ridiculous.

    Israel serves as a forward position for US influence in the region without a doubt. Israel proved robust enough to escape destruction in four wars that if they'd lost would have resulted in annihilation, despite all the foreign interference (unlike say Yemen or Lebanon). The US can do business with Israel and get predictable results.

    Support for Israel satisfies most US Jews who have a sentimental and/or financial interest there. They don't seem to be as influential as say the pro-Irish lobby but they exist, and it would stupid to deny it. They don't run US Israeli relations though, as mentioned Armageddon seeking Christian fundamentalists are a more important factor in shaping US Israeli relations than "Israel in Hollywood" or some rabbis, or some even some imaginary alliance of all Jews everywhere.

    Big Oil looms over both these groups as the number one player in shaping Trump's foreign policy (all his Secretaries of State have been oil men). This is not a new development, it goes back to at least Eisenhower when the US was neutral on the existence of Israel and hostile to the actual Soviet-backed entity that emerged. Israel swims in these waters, and aligns with the US as much as possible because a large friend is valuable. Swimming beside the shark doesn't mean they control the shark though.
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    swabian's Avatar igni ferroque
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    BBC or CNN or Fox whatever are also the only news media who would interview a head of state like he was some second rate commentator. Behold the unsurmountable arrogance of Israel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUT4fjmYIwI

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