I was going to suggest that - rep. It is certainly accurate if you are make this an argument about ancient Macedonia.Why not renamed itself "Paeonia"?
hoi polloi
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
I was going to suggest that - rep. It is certainly accurate if you are make this an argument about ancient Macedonia.Why not renamed itself "Paeonia"?
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
Ethonym: Peon?Originally Posted by hellheaven1987
Why not renamed itself "Paeonia"?
National flower: Peony
National pastime: NSFW.
Jatte lambastes Calico Rat
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
Tsipras is a traitor who should be impeached and imprisoned for the rest of his life.
He's officially the worst Greek of all times. He sold out the Greek cultural and ethnic heritage in the name of ''the EU'', surrendered the country's sovereignty to Nazis, starved his people and forced them into suicide.
But hey, at least gays can marry now. What aing liberal retard.
hoi polloi
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How did he sell out Greek ethnic heritage over the name of Macedonia? Last time I checked according to Timoclea her brother died defending the freedom of the Greeks from drum role please: Macedonia... (you can thank Plutarch for that one he did really like the story - don't worry he was Greek). Oh and her brother would be Theagenes - sorta gay being commander of the Sacred Band and all. So you are just a bit choosy on that heritage thing.He sold out the Greek cultural and ethnic heritage
Last edited by conon394; January 18, 2019 at 08:58 PM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
Where's the Kingdom of Macedonia on the map?
hoi polloi
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Depends on when you are setting the map. But you said cultural heritage not map painting.
Going to go spit on Theagenes' grave while whining about loving the barbarian who killed him? The monument is still hanging about.But hey, at least gays can marry now. What a
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
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Amazing, now liberals are rewriting geography to fit their historical revisionist narrative.
hoi polloi
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Amazing how you avoid allowing gay marriage or its functional equivalent is a Greek heritage. If you are going to stress out about events 2500 years ago or there about.Considering how badly Macedonia did when the Gauls showed up maybe France or Ireland should demand Greece hand over their province.Amazing, now liberals are rewriting geography to fit their historical revisionist narrative.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
Now you are derailing the thread with fake news (gay marriage in ancient Greece lmao) because I called out the genocidal plans of your side.
hoi polloi
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
And the sacred band was what non homosexual life partners? That would be a surprise to Plutarch.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
¡Ay Carmela!
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I think you conflated the Independent Greeks with the Golden Dawn. Only the former participated in the ruling coalition, but they are just a bunch of far-right populists believing in conspiracy-theories and, unlike the latter, not outright Nazis. Moreover, the Prespa agreement did not include any sale of cultural heritage. In fact, the text openly clarifies that modern Macedonian belong to the south-Slavic linguistic group, while Article 7 explains that the name of the Republic is not related to the ancient kingdom. To recapitulate, the name of "Republic of Northern Macedonia" is a geographically accurate term, which also respects the primordial rights of the Macedonian people for self-determination. I understand that it upsets Greek chauvinists, because the loss of their monopoly over Macedonia violates the nationalist myth and narrative of racial purity, uninterrupted continuity and glorious pedigree, but their complaints are morally and legally absurd. I recommend you to read the two links I cited in my previous post, if you still have doubts about the legitimacy of the negotiated name.Terrible suggestion, the name of Paeonia is already taken. Can you imagine the meltdown that would follow the declaration of the Republic of Paeonia? "It's a covert operation for the enslavement of the Kılkış prefecture!", "Paeonia has been Greek for the last 4.000 years!". "Audoleon was a proud Hellene, eating mousakas and reading Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics in his past-time!". "We will never sell the holy land of Paeonia to the nefarious cabal of the European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!'.Why not renamed itself "Paeonia"?
hoi polloi
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He could read?Audoleon
But overall funny
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
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The Nazis are Merkel and co. Even that
We need a Nurnberg trial for the Juncker commission and the German government.
The name Macedonia belongs exclusively to the people of the region of Macedonia, which is in Greece
It's hilarious how you mock legitimate cultural ties while at the same time endorse the baseless FYROMian nationalism.
hoi polloi
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Why exactly seeing as Greece today does not encompass all the places that have been called Macedonia over time. Clearly there a ton of cities in the US that need to be renamed - arrogant American cultural appropriation - its obviously a plot eventually attack Greece.The name Macedonia belongs exclusively to the people of the region of Macedonia, which is in Greece
Last edited by conon394; January 19, 2019 at 09:59 AM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
Greek colonies in Italy often resemble the names of the original Greek cities. Indeed many American cities resemble the names of European cities because possibly because the founders were from there.
You are comparing that to a neighbouring country building its national and cultural heritage around a non-existing cultural and ethnic ties that belong to another people.
It's like comparing bananas with dildos.
¡Ay Carmela!
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Except that no, it is not. Why don't you read that informative booklet I cited (written by a Greek professor), since you are obviously unaware of the region's geography? You apparently conflate the modern region of Macedonia with the ancient kingdom. Since the 19th century, the borders of Macedonia are determined according to the definition of Strabo. Therefore, it is calculated that Macedonia is actually shared between Greece, Bulgaria and the Republic of Macedonia (while some even estimate that portions of it are included even in Kosovo and Serbia). Τhe Roman author explains how the Šar Mountains were the northernmost limit of Macedonia, which means that the modern Republic encompasses almost exactly the northern part of Macedonia. From a scientific perspective, the suggested name is impeccable, an undeniable conclusion responsible for ridiculing even more the childish protests of both nationalistic camps.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:Αre you implying something against the Paeonian craddle of civilization? When Audoleon was solving quadratic equations, Gauls and Britons were hunting squirrels. I would personally prefer Dardania. Less obscene than Paeonia and better-sounding than Macedonia, which always gave me the misleading impression of referring to the fiefdom of a Scottish clan. On a more serious note, a popular rally in protest to the diplomatic agreement is planned to take place tomorrow, on Sunday, in the capital of Athens. Presumably, many far-right elements will gladly participate, ranging from revisionist army officers to the fascists of the Golden Dawn and obscurantist priests, so let's hope that this time, they will desist from vandalising Holocaust monuments and burn down the cultural heritage they so much pretend to cherish.
hoi polloi
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
Wait is your map coloring Amphipolis blue. Do you know how many good Athenian Greeks died to try to keep their heritage there not being called Macedonian?
Settle the stupid affair and recognize a North Macedonia in the EU and NATO is hardly going to be a threat to Greece. And accept that that is a fairly historically accurate name for the place assuming you are citing Ancient Macedonia in a particular time notable the late 4th century. Also of course a place where one of its drunken leaders would probably run you through for calling them Greek. Do that a look Greece looks more functional than the UK.
Seeing as they could not even lure the odd disgruntled Athenian play write or pro Oligarchy Philosopher yep I am...Αre you implying something against the Paeonian craddle of civilization?
You know if Greeks (with capital in Athens) what to worry about their heritage, they might consider something from Athens. Brutal harsh policies for corruption in government, open government, and a sound currency and budget. But I suppose caring about a drunken murderous narcissistic megalomaniac is more important.
Last edited by conon394; January 19, 2019 at 11:34 AM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
Except that no, it is not. Why don't you read that informative booklet I cited (written by a Greek professor), since you are obviously unaware of the region's geography? You apparently conflate the modern region of Macedonia with the ancient kingdom. Since the 19th century, the borders of Macedonia are determined according to the definition of Strabo. Therefore, it is calculated that Macedonia is actually shared between Greece, Bulgaria and the Republic of Macedonia (while some even estimate that portions of it are included even in Kosovo and Serbia). Τhe Roman author explains how the Šar Mountains were the northernmost limit of Macedonia, which means that the modern Republic encompasses almost exactly the northern part of Macedonia. From a scientific perspective, the suggested name is impeccable, an undeniable conclusion responsible for ridiculing even more the childish protests of both nationalistic camps.Αre you implying something against the Paeonian craddle of civilization? When Audoleon was solving quadratic equations, Gauls and Britons were hunting squirrels. I would personally prefer Dardania. Less obscene than Paeonia and better-sounding than Macedonia, which always gave me the misleading impression of referring to the fiefdom of a Scottish clan. On a more serious note, a popular rally in protest to the diplomatic agreement is planned to take place tomorrow, on Sunday, in the capital of Athens. Presumably, many far-right elements will gladly participate, ranging from revisionist army officers to the fascists of the Golden Dawn and obscurantist priests, so let's hope that this time, they will desist from vandalising Holocaust monuments and burn down the cultural heritage they so much pretend to cherish.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I love how you just posted a map that covers exactly the propagandist preferences of FYROM.
Reality check:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
This is the irredendist FYROM map:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
which obviously overlaps the one you posted.
I swear to god, Trump needs dismantle NATO asap. That'd humiliate these demented theories for good. FYROM needs to be embargoed, no investment, walled off, no diplomacy. Send them back to the stone age so that they can make their own history.
Senator
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Great idea! I like the collective punishment solution. Very original. One question though : Who's gonna pay for the wall? Greece? Mexico? O, I get it now. Hahaha. Clever! Stone age--> Stone wall!!!! They can built it themselves!!! Everybody wins!
Last edited by LaMuerte; January 19, 2019 at 04:03 PM.
Re: Macedonia approves constitutional amendment to change country's name to Republic of North Macedonia
How about we add a nuke aimed at Skopje just in case?
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