Illegal English Channell Crossings Foiled: Major Incident Declared

[Aexodus]

https://news.sky.com/story/dozens-of...y-nca-11594539

I don’t have time to make a long OP at the moment, but there’s been a number of attempted illegal crossings of the channel from France, there have been calls to seize the boats at Calais and the Home Secretary Sajid Javid has declared it a major incident, which is actually a serious official statement by the Home Office. The Independent had a headline criticising Tech Companies for allowing people smugglers who are the nucleus of this problem - from the channel to the Sahara - to communicate via whatsapp and other social media.

[mongrel]

Crossings from France eh? What you propose to do , send a pair of Bf109s?

[Knight of Heaven]

It would be Spitfires, and Hawker Hurricanes.

Bf109s were German. So were the diving bombers you see in the film, the Stukas.

[Morifea]

Since it were German machines that tried to prevent the crossing, mongrel is totally right

[mongrel]

It would be Spitfires, and Hawker Hurricanes.

Bf109s were German. So were the diving bombers you see in the film, the Stukas.

As said above, I don't recall Churchill stopping the Dunkirk crossing, surely he helped facilitate it. You must have got confused with D-Day in your pedantic haste.


I was referring to the fighters, which presumably weren't on the British side, nor were they Stukas seeing that Stukas have fixed undercarriage. Otherwise I would imagine Tom Hardy's dogfight scene would have been terrible as Stukas can't fight in the air for . Yes I saw the film btw. You , presumably have not. I can't even mock without failed pedantry


On topic though , there are always attempted crossings, almost on a daily basis. What is so special about now? Nothing. I suspect that the annual round for determining the Home Office and defence budgets is upon us, hence the clearly organised theatrics provided entirely by said departments. Normally its about terror or violent crime, but May won't budge on anything that doesn't involve Brexit or migration.

I know Aexodus wants yet another migrant-bashing thread. Let's disappoint him by providing the real story behind the headline.

Check out the number of cutters held by the UK and other European nations, you will see what I mean.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-b...orryingly-low/

I understand there are 5 UK Border Force vessels of which 3 patrol the UK's waters. Italy has 600, 120 times as many.

[Muizer]

What I wonder about mostly whenever I hear these stories is ............ why do these people go to such lengths to reach Britain? Is it some echo from Imperial glory days that people think it's the promised land?

[Morifea]

Yeah, Britain wouldn't be my first choice too.
Especially why cross the channel in December? There must be an awful weather.

[Aexodus]

Crossings have greatly increased in the last two months. There were 40 crossings on Christmas Day alone from France.

@Muizer

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-migran...nce-or-Germany

1. Language
Many immigrants speak at least some English. Almost nobody speaks German. The UK offers here a clear advantage in terms of integration and job opportunities

2. Available Jobs
Both countries have a lot of low level jobs available but the German authorities are extremely tough on illegal employment. The UK looks to me more relaxed and the system around the fight against illegal employment is not that structured.

3. Healthcare
In Germany it is practically impossible to obtain free undercover healthcare. You need to have either a health insurance card or a registration with the German authorities. The UK is with its NHS paradise compared to Germany for illegal immigrants.

4. Freedom of movement
In Germany you have to have a registration address which is checked by the authorities for example with your landlord. Also refugees are getting assigned to certain regions and are not free to move where they want. The UK is missing a complex registration and control system.

5. Existing ethnic networks
Thanks to the British empire the UK hosts already a comprehensive mixture of ethnic groups that allow an easy network for new immigrants. In particular if you want to stay illegally you need such network to get access to housing, food and income.

There is a lot of misinformation from western NGOs and otherwise that Britain is this promised land if free housing, free healthcare and easy work. The free healthcare part is true, but the other two are conditional. Existing multicultural ethnic enclaves also make it more attractive.

Another good point made in that Quora thread is the lack of IDs compared to the mainland in Britain. Calais and the UK’s lack of ID cards - BBC News There’s a lot more on tha Quora page worth reading.

One important little detail that I have been told* about the preference of clandestine immigrants**for the UK is this: the UK is the only of those countries that has no ID. Therefore it is much easier for someone to gain access to services that would otherwise be denied if IDs were being checked. Anything from banking and getting a cellphone connection (dealings with private companies), to receiving benefits and getting treated by the NHS (dealings with the public sector).

• social protection in the UK was designed for an island in the 1950s, not a part of Europe with mass movement of people:
• 1. the NHS (UK health service) is free at the point of delivery for anyone who can turn up - the French system requires handing over cash and/or proof of insurance except in the case of emergency care (the French system remains universal though - everyone who is in France legally is covered, but unlike the NHS the healthcare providers do actually check that you are covered - see the Carte Vitale which everyone resident in France needs to use to get treatment)

The local MP for Dover on the South Coast has said he has been ignored on this issue for too long.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-crisis.html

Yet there now needs to be a clear plan to defeat the traffickers, to put an end to these dangerous crossings before there is a tragedy in the Channel. It should start with a modern Dover Patrol to act as a powerful deterrent to people seeking to break into Britain. There are five Border Force cutters – yet just two of them operate in UK waters, covering 7,000 miles of coastline.
In contrast, 600 cutters patrol the much shorter Italian coastline and 147 cover Spanish waters.

Two of our cutters are in the Mediterranean and one is on ‘standby’.
You don’t deter burglars by leaving your front door open. So it’s no surprise the Channel is being sold as an easy passage by ruthless people traffickers. That’s why all five cutters should be patrolling our coast, to help us catch the traffickers who many suspect drop off migrants in dinghies as soon as they enter British waters, then disappear.

It’s time to for all five Border Force cutters to be put to work, establishing a modern Dover Patrol. Time for the French to step up action on their side to stop the trafficking networks and prevent people from attempting dangerous crossings. And time for greater investment in our borders to make them safer and more secure.
This way we can put an end to the Channel migrant crisis.

To be honest I agree with Charlie Elphicke

[Mithradates]

1. Language
Many immigrants speak at least some English. Almost nobody speaks German. The UK offers here a clear advantage in terms of integration and job opportunities

2. Available Jobs
Both countries have a lot of low level jobs available but the German authorities are extremely tough on illegal employment. The UK looks to me more relaxed and the system around the fight against illegal employment is not that structured.

3. Healthcare
In Germany it is practically impossible to obtain free undercover healthcare. You need to have either a health insurance card or a registration with the German authorities. The UK is with its NHS paradise compared to Germany for illegal immigrants.

4. Freedom of movement
In Germany you have to have a registration address which is checked by the authorities for example with your landlord. Also refugees are getting assigned to certain regions and are not free to move where they want. The UK is missing a complex registration and control system.

5. Existing ethnic networks
Thanks to the British empire the UK hosts already a comprehensive mixture of ethnic groups that allow an easy network for new immigrants. In particular if you want to stay illegally you need such network to get access to housing, food and income.

Ahaa... So many pull factors.

It’s time to for all five Border Force cutters to be put to work, establishing a modern Dover Patrol.

I maybe wrong but even if they capture someone, by EU law the UK cant send these people back to France, the UK can only deport these people back to the first country where they originally entered the EU, and if it is not known which country that was than the UK will be stuck with these people anyways.

Time for the French to step up action on their side to stop the trafficking networks and prevent people from attempting dangerous crossings.

Maybe Merkel should bribe France, just like she bribed Turkey.

This way we can put an end to the Channel migrant crisis.

erm...

Send every single one of them back to where they came from, and I don't mean back to France. I mean wherever they came from.

As they haven't gone through the legal process we have no idea who or what they are.

The problem with this is if you dont know who they are, than how would you know where to send them back?

[I_Damian]

The problem with this is if you dont know who they are, than how would you know where to send them back?

Determine what language they're speaking. If it's a language that is spoken by many nations (like Arabic) then determine which nation the accent is from. Then send them straight back there and send the bill for their transport to that nation. Then ban them from ever entering Britain again for the rest of time.

If your first act in this country is to break the law before you've even set foot on land then there's just no hope.

[mongrel]

Determine what language they're speaking. If it's a language that is spoken by many nations (like Arabic) then determine which nation the accent is from. Then send them straight back there and send the bill for their transport to that nation. Then ban them from ever entering Britain again for the rest of time.

If your first act in this country is to break the law before you've even set foot on land then there's just no hope.

What no formal interview and review process, her Majesty's processes refers? I suppose it made you feel big typing all that lovely shouty stuff.

[Morifea]

Then send them straight back there and send the bill for their transport to that nation. Then ban them from ever entering Britain again for the rest of time.

Like building a wall and let others pay for them?
Yeah, works like charm.

[Morifea]

Fair points Aexodus....... The language could be a problem in Germany

[Diocle]

If Spain goes on allowing illegal immigrants entering his territory nobody in Europe is safe! The Socialists leading Spanish government are the main responsible for illegal human trafficking togheter with Macron.

From Spain to the Channel the journey is very short. If Spanish Socialists, instead of accusing Matteo Salvini of being racist, fascist, ethnicist and/or xenophobe, were doing their job, stopping the horrid trade in human beings between Morocco and Spain, run by Soros and other sordid people like him, this obscene traffic might be stopped once for all.

In the next European election, defeating Socialists and Mondialists traitors and their obscene policies, it's the only sensible way to halt the international slave traders.

[Aexodus]

As you can see, what Diocle has posted is well, quite rabid in it’s delivery.

However, what are people like me to do if people like him were the only the one’s opposing illegal immigration? Beig against illegal immigration is very milquetoast and should be an easy win for mainstream parties. I hope that the Conservatives see this, especially Sajid Javid.

[HannibalExMachina]

As you can see, what Diocle has posted is well, quite rabid in it’s delivery.

However, what are people like me to do if people like him were the only the one’s opposing illegal immigration? Beig against illegal immigration is very milquetoast and should be an easy win for mainstream parties. I hope that the Conservatives see this, especially Sajid Javid.

few people dispute illegal immigration. some people just want no immigration of brown people, period, and some people think there should be no such thing as illegal immigration by law in the first place, in which case, well, it wouldnt be illegal anymore anymore. weed is illegal, many want it legalized, that doesnt make them criminals.

when will you learn that branding all immigrants as potential illegals a priori isnt going to get you anywhere here? i guess innocent until proven guilty is only to be considered for certain people, eh?

[I_Damian]

Send every single one of them back to where they came from, and I don't mean back to France. I mean wherever they came from. As they haven't gone through the legal process we have no idea who or what they are. They might be head choppers, rapists, terrorists... for the sake of public safety send them back to where they originally came from and ban them from ever entering Britain again.

Tired of this namby pamby bollocks. Public safety comes first. Our government's job is to see to the safety of this country and its people. Everything else is secondary.

[Aexodus]

Crossing the channel irregularly is always illegal immigration. These people traffickers know what they’re doing

Edit:

Since then we have had the daily arrival of boats filled with migrants on the south coast and an emergency response called for.


Seemingly the authorities were completely unaware that this was happening despite criminal gangs have for some time been openly touting illegal transportation across the Channel in French ports.

Where is this supposed EU cross border cooperation on security Crssida Dick was referring to I wonder? If this was simply a case of a couple of hundred migrants being sold passage to the UK by some dodgy men, that would be bad enough. But evidence points to a huge deficiency in public security not just in Channel ports but across Europe.

A year ago Serbia, a country not known for a love of migrants especially Muslims, provided visas to thousands of Iranians in order to "boost the tourist economy". Quite why Iranians would be so keen to see the tourist spots of this small East European country isn't something that anybody asked. Nor it seems great surprise, when 10,000 of them went missing!! It is very unlikely these people remained in Serbia and would have almost certainly attempted to cross into the EU.

But despite all this, the very first the authorities were made aware of all this was when a small number of this large number began washing up on British beaches, having travelled the length of the European continent.

I think the Metropolitan police Police chief should have refrained from attempting to give the British public indigestion from their Christmas dinner over Brexit fears, that were entirely politically focused. Or confine her attention to her under resourced colleagues coping with a huge growth in violent crime, resulting in the death of youngsters on a weekly basis in the nation's capital. Public figures like the Metropolitan Police chief, Chairman of the Bank of England, Archbishop of Canterbury have shown absolutely no discretion in pushing a negative political agenda on Brexit instead of confining their attention to their roles.

As to the issue of the Iranian migrants, it shows again how the EU's policy on security and migration is simply not working when tens of thousands of undocumented people can enter and travel across the continent.

Echoing caratacus, the origins of this wave of migrants seems to be a visa scheme in Serbia between Belgrade and Tehran that was terminated in October. After that, 12,000 Iranians on Visas went ‘missing’. How they were able to travel all across Europe to Britain highlights how ineffectual EU border controls are.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...ing-serbia/amp

[HannibalExMachina]

Crossing the channel irregularly is always illegal immigration. These people traffickers know what they’re doing

not the point, no one disputes the existence of illegal immigrants. the rhetoric and policies are targeting the "culturally" unwanted, thus everyone not fitting the narrow standard of racist nationalists.

but you know that, otherwise you wouldnt blow up another incident of intercepting the brown people in the nick of time. btw, how are the british going to keep the lights on without legal polish workers, who have replaced the irish as the "white (insert your choice of racial slur here)"? not to speak of other ethnicities? these are a small minorities, sure, but apparently britain cant do without them.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017...on-over-brexit

[Aexodus]

I maybe wrong but even if they capture someone, by EU law the UK cant send these people back to France, the UK can only deport these people back to the first country where they originally entered the EU, and if it is not known which country that was than the UK will be stuck with these people anyways.

If that’s true that’s an utter farce. We must be able to send them back to France