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    France is too centralized for Macron to solve anything when the problem is in the periferies. It's also too big. Size and centralization work so long that the problem is at the top. France clearly has a problem at the top, because Macron is an out of touch entitled buffoon. He also comes and is backed from the intellectual elite, and France much like most of the West has a humongous problem with its elite. However due to the size and centralization of the French system, even a guillotine treatment won't solve the problems.

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    Moscovici said the EC will approve Macron's new budget, from 2.6% to 3.4% in full contrast with the Maastricht rules, but not the Italian one, 2.4%.

    Expect the Gilet Jaunes in Italy at a certain point asking for the resigning of the treacherous Mattarella and protesting against the European Union. There's no room for negotiation with the globalist elite anymore. They must be removed.
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    I think instead of discussing the impossible (Macron "fixing" the situation) we should discuss how he should be removed and who should replace him. Without a doubt, there is no future for EU as it is right now, nor there is any future for financial and political elites. The genie is finally out of the bottle, and this will continue until Europeans get their countries back.

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    Call Bolton and see if he's interested in regime change.

    (It's a joke btw, I hate the guy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Moscovici said the EC will approve Macron's new budget, from 2.6% to 3.4% in full contrast with the Maastricht rules, but not the Italian one, 2.4%.
    Kind of a big deal when the budget compliant with Maastrich ratios is the one getting punished, and one breaching it is the one aproved. Speaks in many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    I think instead of discussing the impossible (Macron "fixing" the situation) we should discuss how he should be removed and who should replace him. Without a doubt, there is no future for EU as it is right now, nor there is any future for financial and political elites. The genie is finally out of the bottle, and this will continue until Europeans get their countries back.
    Well here's one way i guess-

    https://www.euronews.com/2018/12/12/...nch-government

    The protests movements left-leaning MP's have tabled a motion to bring down Macron's government. I do not know enough about French politics to know if this is a real danger or not.
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    France has a bizarre electoral system and Macron's party controls like 60% of the parliament, despite having won only 26% of the vote in the first round. There's no motion of no confidence that can bring him down unless his own party falls apart. If he wants to stay in power, he's untouchable until the end of his mandate.

    I think that's part of the reason the protests have been so violent; the parliament is simply not a good representation of the French political preferences, hence if the French want him out, they either wait 5 years or start another revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    France has a bizarre electoral system and Macron's party controls like 60% of the parliament, despite having won only 26% of the vote in the first round. There's no motion of no confidence that can bring him down unless his own party falls apart. If he wants to stay in power, he's untouchable until the end of his mandate.

    I think that's part of the reason the protests have been so violent; the parliament is simply not a good representation of the French political preferences, hence if the French want him out, they either wait 5 years or start another revolution.
    ... you may have just slightly shifted the emphasis on my paper of Britain as a 'Stability state' Though in a good way...after i look at perhaps broadening things out... But in all seriousness though cheers for that, if so that is actually insane the lack of direct checks and balances, it sounds worse than FPTP even for removing direct democracy. A fair point too in how this links to the violence of the protests. I feel i'm going to have to perhaps pay a bit more attention to French politics in the future.
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    I'm also going to turn on Nostradamus mode and say there will be at least one false flag attack in France to justify violent crack down against protesters in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Von Hespburg View Post
    ... you may have just slightly shifted the emphasis on my paper of Britain as a 'Stability state' Though in a good way...after i look at perhaps broadening things out... But in all seriousness though cheers for that, if so that is actually insane the lack of direct checks and balances, it sounds worse than FPTP even for removing direct democracy. A fair point too in how this links to the violence of the protests. I feel i'm going to have to perhaps pay a bit more attention to French politics in the future.
    It's indeed one of those electoral systems designed to produce two parties for the sake of stability, but the situation in France during Hollande got so bad that the center left went from 50% to 6%, the center right went from 49% to 14% due to multiple scandals, Macron took the occasion and won a supermajority despite the support of 1/4 of the country as well. The ironic thing is that a semi-proportional system like for instance Italy avoided violence because it gave a chance to populist parties to take power democratically. So in Italy you have right wing populist (the League) governing with left wing populists (m5s). In France you have Melenchon at 18%, Le Pen at 24% and a handful of minor parties up to roughly 50% of the vote that have no saying whatsoever in the government. Now that another segment of the population has lost faith in Macron, he's stuck with the support of his core base, upper class, urban, cosmopolitan progressives and noone else. He's toast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    I'm also going to turn on Nostradamus mode and say there will be at least one false flag attack in France to justify violent crack down against protesters in the near future.
    There's already Strasburg. But a violent crackdown is unlikely. They have experience with may 68, something else more silent and subversive is probably going to be done.
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