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    If PSOE isn’t partial to illegal immigration, why did it welcome the Aquarius boat?

    1 month later - Spain new main entry point for African migrants.

    After Salvini closing the door, the Spanish socialist party’s welcome to migrants means that it will now get the same experience as Italy did. Watch as anti-mass migration parties on the left and right begin to emerge.

    Spain has recently become the main arrival point, with Andalusia being mainly affected.

    One more time, why are they far right?
    applying for asylum isnt illegal. an immigrant is illegal once he enters without submitting to the process, or stays without the right to do so. how is this simple legal fact so hard to understand? you cant be an illegal immigrant if you havent immigrated illegally yet. do i have to explain this with pictures, or can we drop the scapegoating? because scapegoating someone for something they havent done is as far-right as it gets. democratically minded conservatives are not supposed to engage in creating scapegoats, are they?

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    Once you have crossed 2-3 safe countries, you aren't an asylum seeker any longer. An asylum seeker seeks refuge, I'm willing to concede that. But if he crossed multiple potential refuges to come to my country because we offer more free stuff, he's no longer an asylum seeker, he's a welfare tourist. Refugee laws need to be changed so that if you crossed safe countries on your path, you are no longer eligible as refugees. This farce needs to end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    If PSOE isn’t partial to illegal immigration, why did it welcome the Aquarius boat?
    The answer is there,
    a duty to help avert “a humanitarian catastrophe”.
    Later...
    Migrant crisis in Europe: Spain: still welcoming rescued migrants, but ...
    But the Spanish government will not admit to a change of criteria. “The Aquarius was a humanitarian emergency where people’s lives were at risk, and it was necessary to act fast,” said Consuelo Rumí, state secretary for migration. “Now we are at a different juncture. We are oiling a reception protocol that did not exist before.”
    Humanitarian groups and immigration lawyers say the government needs to treat everyone equally. “We need a unified protocol that is clear and not arbitrary. (1) It cannot depend on the week’s political agenda,” said Estrella Galán, director general of the aid group Spanish Commission for Refugees (CEAR).
    In fact, it's done. - UN states agree historic global deal to manage migration crisis ...

    Defying opposition from the US and a few other European usual suspects, (Hungary, Austria, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Poland, Italy and Slovakia) 85 % of the countries of UN agreed on a sweeping yet non-binding accord to ensure safe, orderly and humane migration.

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    Yo, y cualquiera de VOX, votaría en contra de la profanación de cadáveres, y a favor de enterrar la totalitaria Ley de Memoria Histórica. https://twitter.com/MuyLiberal/status/1031884506402377729 …

    Translating- "I love Franco, but I am not Francoist"
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    The government would be using that very Historical Memory Law to ensure that Franco does not end up in La Almudena.
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    The same Acquarius that dumped toxic waste in the Mediterranean?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...illegal-waste/

    That gives me an idea for another thread.

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    By accepting the aquarius boat they’re worsening not lessening a ‘humanitarian catastrophe”
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    By accepting the aquarius boat they’re worsening not lessening a ‘humanitarian catastrophe”
    people drowning isnt so bad then? refugee streams are caused by humanitarian catastrophes, so how is saving them the same thing?

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    Drowning is bad, and will continue if migrants and more importantly human traffickers know that they will be allowed into Europe, and rewarded for risking the journey.

    Hannibal what country are these refugees coming from? Who is persecuting them? Why did they not start coming until after the fall of Gaddafi?
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    what country are these refugees coming from? Who is persecuting them? Why did they not start coming until after the fall of Gaddafi?
    Give me a satisfactory answer, or die, filthy refugee.
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    Accepting the boats because it feels good does nothing about the problem - it exacerbates it

    The vast majority are not refugees, they are seeking low-skilled work.
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    Refugees/economic refugees. Five myths about the refugee crisis | News | The Guardian


    The system tries to place them into categories – refugee or economic migrant, legal or illegal, deserving or undeserving – that do not always fit the reality of their lives. And if the system breaks down, people are cast into a legal and moral grey zone that lasts for many months or even years. As Caesar, a young man from Mali who I met while reporting in Sicily, put it to me: “It’s not as if one person has ‘refugee’ printed on his forehead and another has ‘economic migrant’.”
    Well, purge them all. In fact, Salvini called for
    - sic,
    mass cleansing, street by street, quarter by quarter, piazza by piazza, we need to be though because there are entire parts of our cities, entire parts of Italy that are out of control
    check the video, 'mass cleansing, street by street, quarter by quarter', newly resurfaced ...
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    What’s your point?

    ‘Economic refugees‘ isn’t a thing.

    Your Guardian article, which is mostly free-movement propaganda, literalky says that the convention on refugees wasn’t originally even supposed to apply outside of Europe. And the Salvini article is off topic.
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