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    Are you seriously deflecting from Islamic modesty laws with dubious accusations of sexism? Really?

    He had similar beliefs with the average islamophobe of today.
    I, as an ‘Islamophobe’ have similar beliefs? Ok, what are they?

    Islamophobes only care for woman as long as they stay in kitchen and bring them a cold beer anytime they want, because evil feminists are destroying their sexy grid girls and the old gender roles of 50's.
    This, is inaccurate my friend.
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    I don't understand, clearly if white people simply made better choices to treat others as their equal there wouldn't be all of this justified pushback.

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    Here's a sexy pinup for the Islamophobes out there.



    As regards the question posed, to test whether it is indeed as impertenant as Aedous suggests here's some quotes from Lord Cromer. Perhaps someone can check the works of TWC's equivalent and find comparable quotes. Consider it a competition, with rep for the first person to complete the excercise.

    1 - “The Oriental generally acts, speaks and thinks in a manner exactly opposite to the European.”

    2- "The ‘Egyptian spirit’ is an obstacle to the reformer"

    3-"It is absurd to suppose Europe will look on as a passive spectator whilst the retrograde government based on purely Muhammadan principles and oriental ideas [i.e Islam], is established in Egypt. The material interests at stake are too important …the new generation of Egyptians has to be persuaded or forced into imbibing the true spirit of Western civilisation"

    4. "Although the Europeanised Egyptian is no true Moslem, he is often as intolerant, and sometimes even more intolerant of Christianity than the old orthodox Moslem, who has received no European education. He frequently hates Christians with a bitter hatred, and he does so partly because many of the Christians with whom he has been brought in contact deserve to be hated, and partly because the Christian, in his capacity of being a European, is a rival who occupies positions, which the Europeanised Egyptian thinks he should himself occupy."

    5 "The position of women in Egypt, and Mohammedan countries generally, is, therefore a fatal obstacle to the attainment of that elevation of thought and character which should accompany the introduction of Western civilisation"

    Note, He didn't see the position of women in the UK as a fatal obstacle to the attainment of that elevation of thought and character etc..."






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    Ok, let's put the breaks on this discussion real quick and refocus on the actual points. As far as I can tell Aexodus, your OP has to two major topics.

    1. Egypt's government is considering jailing a woman for not dressing conservatively enough, a conflict which stems from religious dogma in the government.
    2. You extrapolate this behavior to our society in the West, where you see similar trends and practices.

    Now I hardly see anyone defending point 1. I think we all thoroughly condemn religious backwardness, but I've addressed point two and why you can't compare the events in Egypt and the events in the West. We are not adopting Islam, nor do our governments or society remotely practice similar acts of authoritarianism.

    "Hate speech" laws are driven by European sense of what constitutes "civil society" and not any particular religious dogma. Private corporations or individual government institutions exercise their freedom of markets and society to impose rules they find agreeable with their market or philosophical goals. It's the same reason why, as far as I know, one cannot compel a Christian church to perform a gay wedding.

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    "Hate speech" laws are driven by European sense of what constitutes "civil society" and not any particular religious dogma.


    It’s not about religious dogma. Hate speech laws, and blasphemy laws are wrong for the same reason, in that they curtail our freedoms, and are borne out of this philosophy that the ‘public morality’ comes first. In Egypt, they also think that this is what constitutes ‘civil society’. These are subjective crimes.

    Private corporations or individual government institutions exercise their freedom of markets and society to impose rules they find agreeable with their market or philosophical goals. It's the same reason why, as far as I know, one cannot compel a Christian church to perform a gay wedding.
    The only reason I brought up the formula 1 issue is because it’s an example of feminists dropping the ball on these sorts of issues.
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    It’s not about religious dogma. Hate speech laws, and blasphemy laws are wrong for the same reason, in that they curtail our freedoms, and are borne out of this philosophy that the ‘public morality’ comes first. In Egypt, they also think that this is what constitutes ‘civil society’. These are subjective crimes.



    The only reason I brought up the formula 1 issue is because it’s an example of feminists dropping the ball on these sorts of issues.
    So this is the real reason for this nonsense thread.

    Hate speech laws curtail our freedoms? How? Reasonable people don't suffer any detriment whatsoever from being unable to abuse our foreign-looking people gratuitously, or being detered from harrassing women, the disabled or gay folk. What possible benefit could a decent, civilised person get from a relaxation of such sensible protections?
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    "Hate speech" laws are quite similar to blasphemy laws in Islamist countries. Such laws are usually poorly-defined, and thus open for abuse by government officials, just look at current state of things in UK where people get arrested for making youtube comedy videos or to punish political activists. Truth is that no rational society really needs "hate speech" laws, just like it does not need "blasphemy laws". If someone is making an "evil" statement you can always make an argument against it, as per your right.
    "Hate speech" laws belong in the dust bin of history, and we need free market of opinions instead. For example in US there are no "hate speech" laws, but we don not see "hate crime apocalypse" that authoritarians who support such legislature claim would happen.

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