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    Three Kingdoms Badge Competition


    The Three Kingdoms Badge Competition is now on! You decide what will be our next set of badges! Get creative and show us your best work and your badges could be the official badge set for Total War Center forums. The Submission time begins on today and lasts through 12 weeks ending on 24th of February 2019.

    Feel free to open your own workshop thread in the Graphic Workshop, so that we can all work together and provide feedback on the work we are doing. After all, we are a community and that's what we're here for: to help each other out.


    Competition Rules


    • The badges must be early chinese imperial dynasties-themed or, at least, clearly related to China.
    • Badges MUST remain within the 175 pixels wide and 60 pixels tall. They MUST NOT be animated. PNG files are preferred, in order to maintain a high degree of graphical fidelity.
    • For the 1st round of the competition, a set of 6 badges must be submitted to be considered as "complete". These 6 badges are:
      • Hexagon Council
      • Moderator
      • Citizen
      • Content Staff
      • Curator
      • Magistrate

    • For the 2nd round of the competition, a full set of 25 badges will have to be done by the 3 finalists.
    • Users may submit up to two badge sets in different styles during the 1st round.
    • Each badge submitted must have text that is easy to read, and font color must correspond to the name color of the usergroup involved.
      • Moderator badge must have a bold navy blue font,
      • Modding Staff and Modding Director must have the following green color code: #006600 or#006633.
      • Magistrate and Tribune badges must use a black font.

    • The "Feral Interactive" badge must retain their logo (the cheetah - at least partially) and their corporate color for the font: #E97016
    • The "Slitherine Dev Member" badge must retain their logo (the lizard) and their corporate color for the font: #125C1D
    • The "Creative Assembly" badge must retain their logo (the CA) and their corporate color for the font: #461C6E
    • The "God in Colchester" badge must use a representation of Confucius.
    • The "Stalker" badge must retain its current imagery and font.
    • Badges using the same color must have different tones. For example, the Gaming Staff font must use a different orange color than the Feral Interactive one.
    • Everything you submit must be your own work. Blank templates for use may be provided, but you are also free to create your own (for personal use in the competition and sharing, which is caring) or use open source material.
    • Submissions do not need to be 100% finished. Some small tweaking will be allowed for the winner.
    • You MAY NOT ask for votes. You MAY advertise this competition, but you MAY NOT advertise your own submissions. If you do so, you will be disqualified.


    Submissions


    • Submission time for the 1st round ends on the 30th of December 2018 at 11:59pm GMT. Entries may be edited anytime before this time.
    • Submission time for the 2nd round starts on the 14th of January 2019 at 00:01 am GMT and ends on the 10th of February 2019 at 11:59 pm GMT. Entries may be edited anytime before this time.


    • To submit your entries you must post them in the dedicated Submission Thread.
    • Entries not posted in the Submission Thread will not be considered!
    • You may make two separate entries.



    Polls

    • There will be two rounds of voting.
    • The first round will begin after the 1st submission period is over. The first round of voting will last two weeks.
    • A second, final round of voting will then begin with the top three entries from the previous round and after the 2nd submission period is over. This round will also last two weeks.



    Awards


    1st: TWC Glory for being the one to make TWC badges! Artist Badge" will also be awarded or a prize of 150 rep (one red flower) if the winner has it already.
    2nd: 75 rep
    3rd: 50 rep

    Every participant will receive 20 rep points, provided they have presented a set of 6 badges.

    Here is a list of the current badges currently in use:

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    Here are the different colours codes (decimal RGB and hex RRGGBB). Thanks to Araval for providing most of them:
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    Tribune – RGB code 0.0.0/Hex code #00.00.00
    Сталкер – RGB code 72.72.72/Hex code #484848
    Censor – RGB code 72.36.57/Hex code #482439
    Creative Assembly – RGB code 78.11.94/Hex code #4e0b5e
    Curator – RGB code 128.0.128/Hex code #800080
    Patrician – RGB code 75.0.130/Hex code #4b0082
    Tech / Vault Staff – RGB code 5.79.142/Hex code #054f8e
    Content Staff – RGB code 0.0.255/Hex code #0000ff
    Moderator – RGB code 0.0.128/Hex code #000080
    Modding Staff option 1 – RGB code 0.102.0/Hex code #006600
    Modding Staff option 2 – RGB code 0.102.48/Hex code #006633
    Slitherine Dev Member – RGB code 18.92.29/Hex code #125c1d
    Feral Interactive – RGB code 233.112.22/Hex code #e97016
    Gaming Staff – RGB code 255.69.0/Hex code #ff4500
    Hexagon Council - RGB code 238.0.0/Hex code #ee0000
    Citizen – RGB code 165.42.42/Hex code #a52a2a

    These codes are given for information purposes and not as a requirement except for those specified in the Rules paragraph



    Here are some materials for use:

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    Feral Interactive logo


    Slitherine Lizard logo


    Stalker render


    Confucius render

    For special fonts (chinese style), I'd recommend to check Dafont.

    If you have any questions feel free to ask away in this thread.
    Last edited by Lifthrasir; December 09, 2018 at 09:47 AM.
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    Default Re: Three Kingdoms Badges Competition - Discussion Thread

    Important Note: the color code for the Modding Staff has been updated. It must be #006600 or #006633
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    Hey Lifth,

    Not sure if there is any chance I'd be able to put something together that would be worth submitting (you can bet I'll try though ), but I have a small question about submissions and voting. Above it says the following things:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lifthrasir

    • Users may submit up to two badge sets in different styles during the 1st round.
    • ...


    • You may make two separate entries.







    • There will be two rounds of voting.
    • The first round will begin after the 1st submission period is over. The first round of voting will last two weeks.
    What I was wondering is if voters are voting for a particular badge set, or if they vote for a particular member? The reason for my question is that if people vote by badge set, then it can be a huge drawback to submit two sets, as you'd cut the votes for yourself in half (at least, that is what one may assume). If votes are by member, then it doesn't make a different, but can be fun and/or helpful for voters if you show a couple styles you excel at.
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    Default Re: Three Kingdoms Badges Competition - Discussion Thread

    It might also change the vote as a popularity contest instead of a graphic one
    Let me think about your point and I'll revert asap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifthrasir View Post
    It might also change the vote as a popularity contest instead of a graphic one
    Let me think about your point and I'll revert asap
    That's true, and I hadn't thought of that. "Choose your favorite badge set" does make the voting more centered around the works themselves and not as much the authors, which is what you'd want for this sort of thing (I assume). I guess then you can just leave the option to submit two sets, with submitting artists recognizing that they may split votes for their own work over two different sets. I can imagine that causing some potential issues for a "fair" tallying of votes later though (What if one author gets most votes on two sets? Are there then only two finalists?; What if one author gets more votes than a finalist, but those votes are evenly split over two sets of badges, making neither set a winner?).

    At any rate, whatever you decide will I'm sure be good.


    EDIT: I'm also wondering if there are any special rules/regulations about using things from online? Obviously, if I download a base image that has a copyright attached, that is assuredly out, but if I just find images on google (that aren't from some copyrighted source) and use them to work with, is that alright?
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    Default Re: Three Kingdoms Badges Competition - Discussion Thread

    Regarding the competition, it is obvious that people votes for the badges and not the member, so it's up to the artist to decide what to do: having two sets of badges allows for more opportunity to be liked but in the same time you risk having votes splitted on your works, that is. It's not obligatory, though, so up to the submitter to choose his path.

    I guess then you can just leave the option to submit two sets, with submitting artists recognizing that they may split votes for their own work over two different sets. I can imagine that causing some potential issues for a "fair" tallying of votes later though (What if one author gets most votes on two sets? Are there then only two finalists?; What if one author gets more votes than a finalist, but those votes are evenly split over two sets of badges, making neither set a winner?).
    Once again, people vote for the sumbissions, not the artist; so all the sumbissions that will end up in the first 3 positions will make to the finals, no matter who posted them; it can even happen that one artist has 2 sets in the finals.
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    About the copyright point, even on Google, most of the pics are copyrighted. I think it would mostly depends on how "heavily" you will alter them for your work and what the conditions of use are. In case of doubt, feel free to post the link here or to PM it to me. So I can check and let you know
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    What the competition rules don't mention is the fact the badges have to have around 4kb each or something like that, for bandwidth purposes. The current set has been ultimately ruined by the decision to downsize each badge from a quality stand point, from roughly 24kb to 4 kb. All that time and effort invested into these badges rendered useless because of that decision. Up til now there have been submitted two sets: Cedric's (10k) and Katsumoto's (20k).
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    It hasn't been mentionned before. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll check that and will revert asap
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    I can get it down to 10kb with this website - surely that's enough?
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    10kb seems a good compromise. However, I'll try to get an opinion of one from the Tech Staff
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    Thanks Lifth, would be a shame if we had to cut it down more.
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    I agree. Let's see what will come back from this
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    However, both submissions look great! If we are up to maintain this average of quality, this is gonna be the hardest competition ever!
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    Initially it was proposed to simply remove Artifex and Civitate badges to save bandwidth and thereby money for GED. Ultimately the size of badges was reduced to <5kB instead. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post11851426

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    So I'm afraid that we will have to set the limit to 5kb
    I'm still waiting the confirmation from the Tech Staff anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifthrasir View Post
    So I'm afraid that we will have to set the limit to 5kb
    I'm still waiting the confirmation from the Tech Staff anyway
    Well, that's unfortunate. I can't make anything as high-quality as that of you fellas here, but I wanted to try my hand nonetheless. However, there is no way I could keep my images to a size that low. My sigbars themselves are between 15kb and 20kb, so there is no way I could make a badge that is under 5kb.

    If anyone has simple suggestions for how to cut the size down dramatically, I'd still love to try, but I myself simply don't know what to do.
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    There are some sites that allow to compress png or other formats to drastically low size, however, if you want such a low size, there will be a loss of quality

    EDIT: try this site https://www.ps2pdf.com/compress-png with quality 5-7% and this should do.



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    I've sent a PM to Squid this morning. Hopefully, he'll give an answer soon
    But yes, 5kb seems quite low for something of quality. Let's hope that we'll be allowed to go to 10kb
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    Great find Cedric, with a bit of extra compression in Photoshop that's done it for me with practically no loss in quality:

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