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Thread: Far right hate speech. What should be done?

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    Default Re: Far right hate speech. What should be done?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Free speech does not include coercion of others, hence the "call to imminent lawless action" is a valid definition of the only possible exception.
    Free speech includes incitement to violence, and which incitements of violence are protected or not is entirely arbitrary and subject to interpretation. It just happens that the interpretation is made by the highest court in the country.

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    That's the problem with common law and concept of allowing unelected officials to make political decision in general. In this case, however, definition of "immedeate lawless/violent action" is quite clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    Free speech includes incitement to violence, and which incitements of violence are protected or not is entirely arbitrary and subject to interpretation. It just happens that the interpretation is made by the highest court in the country.
    Why is it arbitrary to prohibit coercive speech and not non-coercive speech of similar content.
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    The problem with any such standard. It's entirely subjective and up to the legal apparatus to determine. Where is the line between "coercive" and "non-coercive". It's the same grey line that people struggle with when we ask when is economic co-operation "coercive" and when is it "consensual".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    ... How does that show Breivik wrote the email, though?
    Does it matter? One shouldn't hide the identity of a terrorist or potential terrorist simply because one's fan group approves of incitement of racial and religious hatred, or the killing Muslims and liberals, or indeed anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Does it matter? One shouldn't hide the identity of a terrorist or potential terrorist simply because one's fan group approves of incitement of racial and religious hatred, or the killing Muslims and liberals, or indeed anyone else.
    The email author doesn't seem terrorist-y to me, just preparing for a defensive war against Muslims. Here's what he says:

    [Israel] will mount a strike during the summer against all of its enemies in the middle east. This will make the muslims worldwide go into a frenzy, attacking everyone around them.

    We are stockpiling and caching weapons, ammunition and equipment. This is going to happen fast.
    Whether true or not, it seems defensive in nature. There's people stocking up on weapons in case FEMA wants to deport them or whatever, it's all perfectly legal.

    Anyway, your post made it seem like Breivik and the email were connected somehow, and that's completely baseless.

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