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    Default Trump suggests letting Turkey murder a US resident, in order to protect Saudi Arabia from consequences of murdering US resident

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/...di-arabia.html

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    Default Re: Trump suggests letting Turkey murder a US resident, in order to protect Saudi Arabia from consequences of murdering US resident

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...turkey-n933996

    Don't know how true it is but handing over Gulen would likley result in his death.
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    Default Re: Trump suggests letting Turkey murder a US resident, in order to protect Saudi Arabia from consequences of murdering US resident

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...t-saudi-arabia

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    This administration has been so idiotic about this situation, and now they want to trade a life to placate Turkey enough to get off SA's back. Thank god Trump has a spine when it comes to...oh wait.

    By the way...This is the same guy that Michael Flynn (another top Trump administration official that has been at the center of Mueller's investigations) discussed kidnapping and giving to Turkey two years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...turkey-n933996

    Don't know how true it is but handing over Gulen would likley result in his death.
    What do you think would be the likely result of handing over the man that the Government of Turkey accuses of organising the recent coup against them?

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    I'm gonna guess...Hugs, a place in the government, and a grand palace.

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    If the allegations are true, then it's really sloppy diplomacy. Even from an immoral perspective, the Khashoggi affair has already been partially forgotten, so who really cares if the Turkish government is exploiting it to gain popularity points? Fethullah Gülen is an important asset for Washington, which allows it to put pressure on Ankara, so exchanging him, in order to silence Ankara's criticism against Riyadh is completely irrational and quite an improbable scenario, in my opinion. That being said, the articles of New York Magazine and Vanity Fair are quite sensationalist, because the imam's life is almost certainly not threatened. Frankly, it seems that these sources aim for click-baiting articles, decorated with some good old negative stereotypes about oriental tyranny and bloodthirsty Easterners.

    The capital punishment has been abolished in Turkey since 2004 and, despite Erdoğan's insinuations, it has not yet been reinstated. Even Öcalan, a convicted criminal, who is globally recognized as a terrorist warlord has not been executed (although technically the death penalty was not completely removed from the state legislation), but remains imprisoned in İmralı. Extrajudicial murder is also out of question and even if the authorities were unscrupulous enough to not even care about the damage to their public image such an action would incur, there is absolutely zero reason to transform Gülen into a martyr, instead of simply letting him sunk into insignificance in an isolated cell.

    However, it's true that the chances of Gülen attending a fair trial in his home country are not great. I have personally no sympathy for him, as his organisation is indeed responsible for infiltrating many public institutions of considerable power, from the ministry of economy and tax offices to education, police and television, thus undermining the judiciary, threatening the secular tradition of the Turkish Republic, fueling corruption and budget deficits, as well as endangering the objectivity of journalism. Of course, Erdoğan's hostile reaction is hilariously hypocritical, given how much the president himself and his party have benefited, politically and financially, from Gülen's help and cooperation, in the past, when the common enemy was CHP, but even a shady businessman and controversial preacher, like Gülen, is entitled to be treated with justice. I suspect that under the increasingly authoritarian administration of the Justice and Development Party administration, Gülen is probably going to be incarcerated for life, regardless of how strong the case of the prosecution actually is. In what concerns a strictly legal viewpoint, the United States and Turkey have signed a bilateral extradition treaty, but, as expected, exceptions can be made for what is ambiguously defined as a ''political'' crime.

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    To describe Gülen, a cleric who had to flee Turkey for being on tape to say that his followers should remain clandestine till they have the power to take over the power in Turkey, as merely a US resident is laughable at best. Though seeing that Erdoğan, who was/is a follower/ally of Gülen, is the current Turkish president tells us that he already succeeded. Then you have Trump... It's like a twisted joke.
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    As much as I'd love to see a drone mission that would hunt down every terrorist of so-called "saudi royal family" terrorist group, I kinda doubt that's what Trump actually said, since no direct quote of him was posted.
    But yeah, he should be criticized for not breaking up relationship with Saudi Arabia. There are other countries that could by US weapons without having a track record of being literally the worst country in the world human rights-wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdülmecid I View Post
    I suspect that under the increasingly authoritarian administration of the Justice and Development Party administration, Gülen is probably going to be incarcerated for life, regardless of how strong the case of the prosecution actually is.
    Exactly, why make a martyr of the guy when you can just let him rot in prison - it works pretty well with Öcalan, too. Execution A tragic death at the hands of some young hotheads is a fate reserved for the small fry.

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    Insufficient Opening Post. A single, barely commented link without a properly framed question or series of questions to be discussed, cannot form the basis of a good political debate. Opening posts require some effort according to the rules of the mudpit.

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