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    Default Re: US 2018 Midterms Elections - Divided Government Looms

    TIL you can’t joke about wishing your opponents can’t vote
    What debacle in Georgia? The fact that Abrams is undermining our democracy by not accepting the election results and two senators are openly saying “If she doesn’t win, it’s rigged.” Member when Democrats were outraged at the notion Trump might not accept the result of the 2016 election? I member.

    Sure the Republican Party is a joke, but so is the Democrat party. Up until moments ago, they had a 2020 front runner who only got famous for being a porn star’s lawyer that echoed the NPC talking point of “Orange man bad”
    EDIT: And now there’s a Democrat Congressman calling for gun confiscations and wanting to use nukes if anyone defies the government
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpy Hooves View Post
    TIL you can’t joke about wishing your opponents can’t vote
    What debacle in Georgia? The fact that Abrams is undermining our democracy by not accepting the election results and two senators are openly saying “If she doesn’t win, it’s rigged.” Member when Democrats were outraged at the notion Trump might not accept the result of the 2016 election? I member.

    Sure the Republican Party is a joke, but so is the Democrat party. Up until moments ago, they had a 2020 front runner who only got famous for being a porn star’s lawyer that echoed the NPC talking point of “Orange man bad”
    EDIT: And now there’s a Democrat Congressman calling for gun confiscations and wanting to use nukes if anyone defies the government
    People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones
    When you misrepresent everything like that, sure, you have a point!
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    Second look at Nancy Pelosi?

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/...bottom-80.html

    This week, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi unveiled a list of new procedural rules that her caucus intends to implement when the next Congress is seated. Most of these measures are unobjectionable “good government” reforms. But one of them would create a new — and all-but-insurmountable — obstacle to the passage of many of the policies that the Democratic Party claims to support.

    The rule, proposed by Pelosi and Massachusetts representative Richard Neal, would “require a three-fifths supermajority to raise individual income taxes on the lowest-earning 80 percent of taxpayers.”...

    Alas, there are several problems with this argument. For one thing, while progressives are committed to increasing the discretionary income of the bottom 80 percent, that does not necessarily mean keeping their tax rates frozen at historically low levels. Currently, for much of the American middle class, health-insurance premiums function as a steadily rising tax. A bill that required those households to pay a new, smaller monthly sum to the government — so as to fund a single-payer system that would actually reduce their cost of living by delivering radically cheaper health-care services — could hardly be called regressive. And the same can be said for legislation establishing universal child care, paid family leave, or any other program aimed at easing the middle class’s financial burdens by dramatically expanding the public sector’s ambitions. Equating support for middle-class families — with opposition to increasing their tax rates — is a conservative project, which Democrats have no business advancing. If the party wishes to establish structural barriers to policies that would hurt the middle class, why not require a three-fifths majority to cut Medicaid, Medicare, or Social Security?...

    All this would be a bit less problematic if the Democratic Party had overcome its allergy to deficit spending (and/or accepted Modern Monetary Theory as its personal truth). But it hasn’t: In addition to forbidding tax increases on the bottom 80 percent, Pelosi has vowed to honor the “pay as you go” rule, which requires the House to fully finance any and all new government spending.

    Taken together, these two requirements could make Medicare for All impossible to pass out of the House.
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    Health insurance is a private company thing. Is that thing arguing that private companies are taxing citizens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Health insurance is a private company thing. Is that thing arguing that private companies are taxing citizens?
    In a way. For a citizen, is there a meaningful difference between high taxation and essentials provided cheap or for free, and low taxation with high prices for essentials on a monopolized market like US healthcare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar1n View Post
    In a way. For a citizen, is there a meaningful difference between high taxation and essentials provided cheap or for free, and low taxation with high prices for essentials on a monopolized market like US healthcare?
    See, that logic don't fly. The last time SCOTUS ruled anything having to do with insurance was a tax was when people that didn't have insurance specifically paid the government a tax for it. And weren't paying the insurance company for the insurance.

    There's a lot wrong with how America does their healthcare. But saying its a tax is...ing wrong. When you all want to actually set up a government provided system for people actually paying taxes(remember, people getting medicaid already aren't paying jack for taxes) so this supermajority requirement isn't going to play the system much but to make it easier to tax the rich insofar as House vote requirements.
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    Default Re: US 2018 Midterms Elections - Divided Government Looms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Health insurance is a private company thing. Is that thing arguing that private companies are taxing citizens?
    He's talking about Dem plans for Medicare 4 All.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpy Hooves View Post
    He's talking about Dem plans for Medicare 4 All.
    That only happens when the Republicans screw up so bad they lose the Senate as well. And when that happens the rules can change again. With McConnell running things he'd just table every bill like that sent from the House just like every ACA Repeal bill that Reid tabled.

    Realism is a great thing to have on your mind when considering these things dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post

    Just populist clamoring.

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