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Thread: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

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    Default Re: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

    If you replace references to right-wingers with references to occult or rock music in OP, then you'll have yourself a generic Satanic panic era PSA. OP fell for the oldest trick in the book, or he pretends to fall for that to make a desperate partisan statement. not sure which one is worse.
    By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms -- elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest -- will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial [...]. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.
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    Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited, 1958

  2. #22

    Default Re: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    If you replace references to right-wingers with references to occult or rock music in OP, then you'll have yourself a generic Satanic panic era PSA. OP fell for the oldest trick in the book, or he pretends to fall for that to make a desperate partisan statement. not sure which one is worse.
    Rock stars don't kill people in order to establish a white nationalist state, or indeed any kind of state .Neither do Satanists, who I find fairly mild mannered people , or Wiccans.Nor do right -wingers. Could you imagine Newt Gringich killing Jews in order to stop Hispanic migration? Obviously not. White supramcists, or Nazis if you will, certainly have and continue to do so. If you know differently, provide some actual evidence.
    Last edited by mongrel; November 03, 2018 at 05:34 PM.
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  3. #23

    Default Re: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

    We heard same things about Satanists back in Satanic Panic era. OP's argument is just as emotion-based and lacks statistical content to be addressed as something even worth debating.
    By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms -- elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest -- will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial [...]. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.
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    Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited, 1958

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    Default Re: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    We heard same things about Satanists back in Satanic Panic era. OP's argument is just as emotion-based and lacks statistical content to be addressed as something even worth debating.
    Are you saying that the killing of Americans, or plots to kill them, which are real events, are nothing to be concerned about?

    There is an argument, which I would agree with, that despite the peak, given a longer view such events are rare. The same argument would apply to Islamist attacks on Western countries, but somehow I don't think you would cut the brown terrorists the same slack as the brownshirt ones.
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  5. #25

    Default Re: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

    To make a point that's not vapid partisan shouting, OP would need to provide statistical analysis which would break down homicides and how many of those were motivated by which political ideology. Given how most of such are not motivated by ideology at all, I fail to see what OP is trying to say aside from demanding we give up individual freedoms because there is a statistically nill chance of someone being a radical.
    By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms -- elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest -- will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial [...]. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.
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    Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited, 1958

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    Default Re: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    To make a point that's not vapid partisan shouting, OP would need to provide statistical analysis which would break down homicides and how many of those were motivated by which political ideology. Given how most of such are not motivated by ideology at all, I fail to see what OP is trying to say aside from demanding we give up individual freedoms because there is a statistically nill chance of someone being a radical.
    Not really. Nazis are killing people now, or plotting to. I can't imagine after say, Charlie Hebdo, people saying' lets have a statistical analysis which would break down homicides and how many of those were motivated by which political ideology.' so why would it be different for Nazis? White supremacism presents a security risk.

    These Nazis have a taste for blood presently. Punching Nazis isn't the issue for the right, it's how many are going to end up in Death Row, isn't it? Penalties for those who wantonly promote conspiracy theories that encourages terrorism might be in order.
    Last edited by mongrel; November 03, 2018 at 06:12 PM.
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    Default Re: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    To make a point that's not vapid partisan shouting, OP would need to provide statistical analysis which would break down homicides and how many of those were motivated by which political ideology. Given how most of such are not motivated by ideology at all, I fail to see what OP is trying to say aside from demanding we give up individual freedoms because there is a statistically nill chance of someone being a radical.
    Well no. Legally, that doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter how many crimes are motivated by X, Y, or Z. Just that the person did it. If they have certain motives they are then upgraded to hate crimes. But the crimes are always on the criminal. Provocation is a hard thing to show in any proper legal sense as in any country it creates a culture of blaming either the speaker or the victim depending on the source. People in contemporary society are expected to control their behavior, even when angry. Nevermind these three, who, calmly and coolly planned out a bombing.

    In the US? The most you can ever try to get out of it, is beg for a sentence lesser than the required minimum.
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  8. #28

    Default Re: Terrorists, wanting soft sentence, blame Trump for making them want to kill muslims.

    Strange how cowardly these so-called white nationalists are. Irish Nationalists were willing to hang for Eire. Islamist fanatics will always claim ownership for the crimes of their colleagues , who invariably die for their cause. Yet when the Master Race gets caught doing their dastardly deeds, its all 'lone wolf' 'false flag' and now 'Trump made me do it'.

    Last edited by mongrel; November 04, 2018 at 04:53 AM.
    Absolutley Barking, Mudpit Mutt Former Patron: Garbarsardar

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    "Oh Yeah? What about a cricket bat? That's pretty straight. Just off the top of my head..." Al Murray, Pub Landlord.

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