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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    ...to be a right-winger in this day and age you need an ability to critically take in information and be a free thinker.
    In this statement you basically claim that political affiliation is proof of intelligence.
    No, being bitter at the leftists is enough to make one oppose them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Also of course science can be affected by politics. From destruction of libraries by Christian mobs in Rome to Soviet Lysenkoism, science had always been manipulated for political reasons.
    That is true in unfree societies.
    I don't believe you saw any christian mobs burning libraries around where you live and we are certainly very far removed from the time and place of Lysenkoism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post
    In this statement you basically claim that political affiliation is proof of intelligence.
    No, being bitter at the leftists is enough to make one oppose them.
    Yes, in an environment where political affiliation is forced upon by population via indoctrination from mass media and academia this is the case. It isn't really about being bitter, but about one's ability to critically asses information given to them.
    That is true in unfree societies.
    I don't believe you saw any christian mobs burning libraries around where you live and we are certainly very far removed from the time and place of Lysenkoism.
    Oligarchies aren't free and most of Western countries are de-facto oligarchies, unfortunately. Only few decades ago we officially practiced eugenics, "cured" homosexuals with shock therapy and had doctors say that smoking is good for you. Thinking that scientific community in the West is infallible to this is simply ignoring history and reality.

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    Do you believe that if one "critically assesses information" will inevitably become a right-winger?
    And what does it even mean to be a right-winger?
    Is it anyone who agrees with you?
    What if people assess the same information you assess and draw different conclusions than you?
    Is that proof that they are uncritical?
    What if I told you -hypothetically- that in case these assertions are correct then I am a right-winger and you are a leftist?

    This is the very similar to what radical feminists say about women who are not feminists: "they have internalized white cis-male normative patriarchal oppression"
    Also the same argument for African-Americans who vote republican.

    I strongly believe that this is the kind of attitude that corrodes the necessary substrate for critical discussion.
    And if I or you assume a-priori that it is impossible to have a critical conversation with a particular someone then that is a form of self fulfilling prophecy.

    By the way, when was it the last time someone burned a library in Canada?

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    I already provided a number of examples of science being affected by politics in "free societies", no need to twist my words any further.
    I was also pretty clear when I pointed out the distinction, that in order to be a right-winger you must be able to think critically and independently, because media and academia are mostly imposing neoliberal or leftist ideas and one must go against the current to take a different perspective. Hence the NPC meme, which pokes fun at people who never question mainstream media narratives.

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    And I think it would be a disservice to all not to point out that in certain areas of the political spectrum, media like Breitbart are the mainstream and I just won't take seriously those who suggest that Breitbart are not peddlers of the alt-right.
    If people are going to be critical, they need to start using arguments that cannot be turned around at them.
    Last edited by paleologos; October 20, 2018 at 08:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post
    And I think it would be a disservice to all not to point out that in certain areas of the political spectrum, media like Breitbart are the mainstream and I just won't take seriously those who suggest that Breitbart are not peddlers of the alt-right.
    If you one is going to be critical themselves, they need to start using arguments that cannot be turned around at them.
    I don't think that Breitbart , as biased as it is, can be compared to oligopoly of mostly leftist-oriented mainstream media. Let alone the fact that there is no evidence that Breitbart represents views of majority of right-wingers.
    There is no hypocrisy here, since one has to go against the grain of the so-called "free press" to develop view from right-wing perspective. In order to become a neoliberal and leftist, all you have to do is just turn on TV and stop arguing or thinking, hence why folks that chose to do latter served as inspiration for NPC meme.

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    Please do answer the following questions one for one:

    Do you believe that if one "critically assesses information" will inevitably become a right-winger?

    What does it even mean to be a right-winger?'
    Is it anyone who agrees with you?

    What if people assess the same information you assess and draw different conclusions than you?
    Is that proof that they are uncritical?

    When was it the last time someone burned a library in Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    In order to become a neoliberal and leftist, all you have to do is just turn on TV and stop arguing or thinking, hence why folks that chose to do latter served as inspiration for NPC meme.
    A few years later and I'm still impressed how those 2 mortal enemies became BFFs. Some serious social engineering went on.
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    “You’re dehumanising me, you Russian bot”
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    The trick is to never be honest. That's what this social phenomenon is engineering: publicly conform, or else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post
    If people are going to be critical, they need to start using arguments that cannot be turned around at them.
    Look what my YouTube feed just dragged in.
    (First post updated)

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    I've thought about it long and hard and I still don't get it. What exactly do these people, right wingers as they deem themselves, want? The right to form little egoistic echo chambers where they can circulate the signature platform one-phrases among same minded individuals? Or do they seek to flaunt their mediated consumer products of a persona in the face of a presumably shocked public? Has anyone given some thought as to how exactly does excluding or including them from this platform service these ends?

    It takes some guts to admit that your self professed "rebellion" against the system is simply a striving towards the very same sentiments and actions that the "system" wants to hoist on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    “You’re dehumanising me, you Russian bot”
    Ironic, isn't it?
    I also like the ones that attempt to claim that this might lead to violence but have no issue with people who say that all Republicans are Nazis and that Nazis should be punched.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Jung was right View Post
    I've thought about it long and hard and I still don't get it. What exactly do these people, right wingers as they deem themselves, want?
    The ability to express themselves freely without being censored.
    Last edited by nhytgbvfeco2; October 21, 2018 at 01:11 AM.

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    To be fair I think this was just a normal meme before politicos took it over
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    I also like the ones that attempt to claim that this might lead to violence but have no issue with people who say that all Republicans are Nazis and that Nazis should be punched.

    I believe we can agree that left wing totalitarianism is on the rise.
    I fear it will get a lot worse before it gets any better.


    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    The ability to express themselves freely without being censored.
    Also the ability to call people uncritical for not being alt-right - without being censored about it.
    Last edited by paleologos; October 21, 2018 at 10:14 AM.

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    omg another Wojak meme..... Ohh no a meme is getting told to die, becouse people are spamming it, ooohhhh noooo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Ironic, isn't it?
    I also like the ones that attempt to claim that this might lead to violence but have no issue with people who say that all Republicans are Nazis and that Nazis should be punched.
    While 99% of the left don't take those actions don't expect them to feel sorry for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post

    I believe we can agree that left wing totalitarianism is no the rise.
    I fear it will get a lot worse before it gets any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    While 99% of the left don't take those actions don't expect them to feel sorry for it.
    Yeah? And how many have been attacked by right wingers for being "NPC's"?

    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post

    Also the ability to call people uncritical for not being alt-right - without being censored about it.
    I believe that this falls under the umbrella of "expressing themselves". If you're going to start censoring peoples views for them being wrong, start with anti-vaxers and flat earthers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    While 99% of the left don't take those actions don't expect them to feel sorry for it.
    I.e. being gutless, Gaiden's 99% don't go around falsely calling people they disagree with Nazis and then punch them, they do agree with it when their, only slightly less cowardly (slightly less in that even though they do so masked, in groups, and then run away, they do face some possibility of retaliation), comrades do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleologos View Post
    Please do answer the following questions one for one:

    Do you believe that if one "critically assesses information" will inevitably become a right-winger?
    No, but one would need to do so to become a right-winger in a modern Western society.
    What does it even mean to be a right-winger?'
    Is it anyone who agrees with you?
    What? Where did I say that?
    What if people assess the same information you assess and draw different conclusions than you?
    Is that proof that they are uncritical?

    When was it the last time someone burned a library in Canada?
    What are you even talking about? You seem to either not have read my post or are simply trying to twist my words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    I.e. being gutless, Gaiden's 99% don't go around falsely calling people they disagree with Nazis and then punch them, they do agree with it when their, only slightly less cowardly (slightly less in that even though they do so masked, in groups, and then run away, they do face some possibility of retaliation), comrades do.
    Go ahead and arrest the guy for assault. If anybody wants to accuse me of not wanting the law enforced I've been on the record for this many times. Run the investigation, find out who did it, arrest them. You've got an entire career's worth of people who figure out who commit crimes for a living. It shouldn't be hard.

    We won't feel sorry for the Nazi though. Get real.

    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Yeah? And how many have been attacked by right wingers for being "NPC's"?
    Yea, you ask that irrelevant question. While I address the actual elephant in the room when we have actual video of actual white supremacists/modern nazis getting assaulted on video on streets by masked people.
    Last edited by Gaidin; October 21, 2018 at 10:34 AM.
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