Is my i5 3570 the limiting factor?

**LestaT** · October 16, 2018, 08:03 AM

Up until yesterday, I was playing Warhammer 2 with my Sapphire RX 570 4GB Pulse and benchmarking (on Ultra except Shadow on Medium) gives average 37 fps.

Today, I changed to Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+ 8GB (not the LE version) and still get the same average fps. Overclocking a bit (1310 core 2200 mem) gives me just an extra 3 fps. Watching the videos etc I was expecting at lease an increase sround 10 fps. What gives?

Granted this card is a used mining card but with original bios (I did all the stress test using Kombuster etc and found no issue). Is my cpu limiting it?

One other thing, I read thst card can be OCed maybe until 1500 core but I cant even get a stable at 1320 at all. Is that because if the previous mining word or my 8 y/o FSP II Saga 500w not up to it? I did not change the voltage, just max power limit.

**♔Greek Strategos♔** · October 16, 2018, 02:01 PM

No need to mess with your GPU at all. Total War games are CPU heavy due to engine limitations. Your I5 is 100% bottle-necking your GPU.

**LestaT** · October 16, 2018, 06:38 PM

Yeah. Guess that already. Time to hunt for upgrades I guess.

Maybe when 9 series comes out there'll be loads of 8 series on cheap.

**♔Greek Strategos♔** · October 17, 2018, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by LestaT

Yeah. Guess that already. Time to hunt for upgrades I guess.

Maybe when 9 series comes out there'll be loads of 8 series on cheap.

If it was (K) you could overclock it a bit and squeeze a few more fps of it. But yeah eventually the 8th series prices will drop and you could grab a more powerful CPU.

**LestaT** · October 18, 2018, 07:25 PM

I just realized that since it was used to mine, the original owner have used the normal bios running at 1250 core clock. When I switch to boost bios, it runs at 1411 out of the box.

Now I do see improvements all along. Now I'm getting around 44 fps average on Skaven benchmark (campaign benchmark is at around 55 fps).

Just wondering, Ryzen 2600X ipc is roughly equivalent to which intel processor? I'm more interested in that but that set up is a bit more expensive than sn i5 8400 setup though.

**LestaT** · October 18, 2018, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by ♔Greek Strategos♔

If it was (K) you could overclock it a bit and squeeze a few more fps of it. But yeah eventually the 8th series prices will drop and you could grab a more powerful CPU.

It's not a K version but I set in the bios so that it runs on the boost clock of 3.7 all time since I mostly only play TW games, I just need all the help all the I can get. I have 1 stick of 1333 ram and 1 stick of 1600 ram. Wondering if I can OC the 1333 ram at 1600?

**♔Greek Strategos♔** · October 19, 2018, 03:34 AM

You could but I wouldn't suggest that. Memory sticks should be completely identical to run dual channel.
Why do you have 2 different sticks ?

**Leonardo** · October 19, 2018, 04:56 PM

If you really want to know what games your PC can handle then goto the https://web.basemark.com/ site.

I got 446.21 with this rig.

Intel i5 2.5 Ghz (the CPU is old and probably too slow)
32 Gb RAM and three Seagate SATA (two 3 Tb and one 2 Tb)
Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti - 2 Gb GDDR5
Philips 24' - 1920x1080 Full HD

**♔Greek Strategos♔** · October 20, 2018, 12:16 AM

Basemark gives you a general idea indeed. But like all benches isn't completely reliable. Like Rome 2 bench for example, which gives average results with a large gap between the hypothetical performance and the actual performance. My advice is to alway trust ingame's FPS or other users reports (based on similar hardware ofc).

PS
@Leonardo
You probably know that but FYI 32Giga of RAM are pretty much useless in your specific setup. Your CPU is unable to use them. Plus even much newer setups usually can't utilize that much RAM. Maybe only when you're performing extreme video coding-editing and using multithreading apps.

**LestaT** · October 21, 2018, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by ♔Greek Strategos♔

You could but I wouldn't suggest that. Memory sticks should be completely identical to run dual channel.
Why do you have 2 different sticks ?

1333 was from my old rig. I missed the chance to get more rams when it was dirt cheap last time.

**LestaT** · October 21, 2018, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by ♔Greek Strategos♔

You could but I wouldn't suggest that. Memory sticks should be completely identical to run dual channel.
Why do you have 2 different sticks ?

Originally Posted by Leonardo

If you really want to know what games your PC can handle then goto the https://web.basemark.com/ site.

I got 446.21 with this rig.

Intel i5 2.5 Ghz (the CPU is old and probably too slow)
32 Gb RAM and three Seagate SATA (two 3 Tb and one 2 Tb)
Nvidia GeForce GTX 750 Ti - 2 Gb GDDR5
Philips 24' - 1920x1080 Full HD

Well, my pc actually is pretty good enough to run any games so far. Maybe not all on ultra. For TW games I usually run Shadows on minimum. I can get faster frale rates when choosing Normal or High unit numbers in any TW games but I seems not to enjoy when playing on anything less than Ultra.

**z3n** · October 21, 2018, 04:29 PM

My 8086k gives me like 15-20 more fps than my 3770k. (meaning battles on ultra hover around 100fps)

You can decide 15-20 more fps is worth it to you considering it costs a hefty chunk of change to upgrade your motherboard + ram + cpu (and liquid cooler if it doesn't fit & you use one).

edit:
Should add... overclocked my old 3770k to 4.4ghz, this 8086k is at 5ghz.

**♔Greek Strategos♔** · October 21, 2018, 10:23 PM

As a CPU heavy engine, Warscape will profit more from ghz not cores. So for example a 4.8-5 ghz 4 core CPU will actually perform better than a 8 core one. Like Z3n mentioned it's all about what you want, but I wouldn't suggest giving money for just a game if you're already good with the rest. I would strongly advise for a fast SSD and a few gigs or RAM though.

**LestaT** · October 22, 2018, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by z3n

My 8086k gives me like 15-20 more fps than my 3770k. (meaning battles on ultra hover around 100fps)

You can decide 15-20 more fps is worth it to you considering it costs a hefty chunk of change to upgrade your motherboard + ram + cpu (and liquid cooler if it doesn't fit & you use one).

edit:
Should add... overclocked my old 3770k to 4.4ghz, this 8086k is at 5ghz.

Extra 15-20 from average 40 is a lot, but not much if average already 60.

**♔Greek Strategos♔** · October 23, 2018, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by LestaT

Extra 15-20 from average 40 is a lot, but not much if average already 60.

It depends. What monitor and resolution you're using ? If you're playing on 1440p (2K) 20 fps could make difference, but if you're on 1080p you'll not see much if any differences.