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    Those pesky latinos don't know what gratitude is. We've helped them so many times, yet they can never get enough.
    First we give them work at our United Fruit banana plantations, then we've helped them "choose" their rulers countless times, and the last time was Hillary in 2009 I think?
    And yet they have the audacity to leave their country that keeps going to and coming to us. Don't they get it?! If they're all here, who's gonna pluck my bananas?!

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    The reason, why Centralamerica has so much economical problems:

    Big Stick Policy since Teddy Roosevelt



    And Banana Wars:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars


    And later supported nice dictators like Batista and Somoza to protect US firms monopolies there:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasio_Somoza_Debayle




    And as consequence you have now economical poor countries, which are dependant from selling some few agricultural products.

    Thats why people are fleeing north.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Don't confuse what I said with the West Bank wall. That is wall. The barrier they have with the Sinai is more like a high-tech security fence.

    Both work but I wouldn't compare them the US border. It's much longer and more obstacles. And since issue is pertaining to the US a giant wall would be useless. The Israeli's have the benefit of a much shorter wall thats very easy to set up checkpoints and patrol compared to the US border.
    You brought these up, I did not. This is just non-seq absurdity after calling walls useless when all I have to do is go #NotAll walls.

    Walls are awesome.
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    You were the first one to mention mass murder, not me. The trip is dangerous but it still doesn't mean you should shoot them if they cross the border.
    Why are you posting unhinged lies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridate View Post
    You brought these up, I did not. This is just non-seq absurdity after calling walls useless when all I have to do is go #NotAll walls.

    Walls are awesome.Why are you posting unhinged lies?
    Given that most illegal immigrants into USA do not come through the Mexican border, yeah, walls are useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Don't confuse what I said with the West Bank wall. That is wall. The barrier they have with the Sinai is more like a high-tech security fence.
    Excellent argument as always. It's not like the fence has the same function as a wall and cheaper and thus more viable in areas that aren't densely populated.

    Reagan was basically full of when he said: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.", since most of the iron curtain was actually a fence. A high-tech one if I might add. With autoshooting guns. Secured the population from leaving really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridate View Post
    You brought these up, I did not. This is just non-seq absurdity after calling walls useless when all I have to do is go #NotAll walls.
    You brought up Israel first not me. It's not my fault you claimed because walls work in Israel thus they aren't useless when the place we are talking about isn't Israel.

    Walls are awesome.Why are you posting unhinged lies?
    You said they should be greeted with live ammunition before the moderator edited your post. Don't lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Excellent argument as always. It's not like the fence has the same function as a wall and cheaper and thus more viable in areas that aren't densely populated.

    Reagan was basically full of when he said: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.", since most of the iron curtain was actually a fence. A high-tech one if I might add. With autoshooting guns. Secured the population from leaving really well.
    Go read my post again. This isn't Berlin and a fence similar to the Israeli's would cost too much
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    As living next to the Limes i can confirm walls/fences solve no migration problems.^^

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    As a jew and a texan, lemme just please ask Führer Trump to not make the southern border anything like the Israel-Palestine "border."

    We have managed to avoid wars ever since we first stole the southwest more than 150 years ago and only had a few "shots fired" incidents. I grew up with and continue to live with loads of anglophone and hispanic friends and neighbors including (GASP) some "illegals" or their descendants. We all get along, everything is fine, we'd actually rather not have border walls running through our golf courses and neighborhoods (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...all/681415001/) and frankly 99.9999999% of everyone who crosses the border is a-ok. We're all friends here.

    Meanwhile, Israel is on constant high alert and palestinians live as fourth-class citizens in an embargoed prison state. Maybe... maybe we're all right. We don't need an orange, screaming new yorker or millions of racist, aging midwesterners telling us how dangerous our own damn border is. We've been running it for 150 years and the US is fine. We even gave you fajitas and chili by working together, anglo, tejano, and mexican. What more could you want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    You brought up Israel first not me. It's not my fault you claimed because walls work in Israel thus they aren't useless when the place we are talking about isn't Israel.
    Go back further, you said walls are useless - Israel is proof they are not, as are the walls around the room if we're really gonna nitpick as you seem to want. #NotAll walls and that was all I was contending in your absurd post that they are indeed useless.

    We can then nitpick about what is a barrier, a wall, when or where - or even if cost effective as much as we'd like but perhaps where relevant?
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    You said they should be greeted with live ammunition before the moderator edited your post. Don't lie.
    That is somewhat different from talking about mass murder is it not? Or am I misinformed about your border guards being well armed with live ammunition as they should be?
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    Go read my post again. This isn't Berlin and a fence similar to the Israeli's would cost too much
    Still irrelevant to what I said, but that's not reaching you.
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    Big Stick Policy since Teddy Roosevelt
    Up to a point fair. But its not like everyone else ans there brother was not waiting to exploit Mexico and Central America as well (recall Nappy III). The ignorance of most Americans as to US policy there is troubling, but the great powers in Europe would have done the same. The local deserve some agency as well. Had put thier house in order over the 1800s before the US emerged as power perhaps they would have done better. But fair to say the US did not ever live up to its rhetoric in Central America - or maybe it did if you correctly recall the jingoist and racist tone of manifest destiny back in the day - but the USA likes to forget that now.
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    We have managed to avoid wars ever since we first stole the southwest more than 150 years ago and only had a few "shots fired" incidents.
    Is there a perception among some that the South West should really be Mexico’s?
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    I don't understand, clearly if white people simply made better choices to treat others as their equal there wouldn't be all of this justified pushback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    Is there a perception among some that the South West should really be Mexico’s?
    The internet has taught me that yes there are people who think that but it's ultra-fringe to the point of basically not existing (and includes lily-white americans who have never even been in a state that borders Mexico). In real life people will joke the same way brits will refer to the US or the Commonwealth as "the colonies" or whatever, but no one cares that much.

    The border has been porous since it existed, and even before it existed, and everyone is cool with it. If anything we want more anglo-hispanic fusion. Until the early 2000s you didn't even need a passport to cross the Rio Grande.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridate View Post
    Go back further, you said walls are useless - Israel is proof they are not, as are the walls around the room if we're really gonna nitpick as you seem to want. #NotAll walls and that was all I was contending in your absurd post that they are indeed useless.
    Walls are useless since we are talking about America in a thread about migration America. Can't help you want to bring up something that has nothing to do with America.


    That is somewhat different from talking about mass murder is it not? Or am I misinformed about your border guards being well armed with live ammunition as they should be? Still irrelevant to what I said, but that's not reaching you.
    Greeting someone with live ammunition means you are going to shoot them or at least at them. So yes, mass murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Up to a point fair. But its not like everyone else ans there brother was not waiting to exploit Mexico and Central America as well (recall Nappy III). The ignorance of most Americans as to US policy there is troubling, but the great powers in Europe would have done the same. The local deserve some agency as well. Had put thier house in order over the 1800s before the US emerged as power perhaps they would have done better. But fair to say the US did not ever live up to its rhetoric in Central America - or maybe it did if you correctly recall the jingoist and racist tone of manifest destiny back in the day - but the USA likes to forget that now.
    Fair is fair. I'm sure, european colonial powers would have tried to maximize their influence there.

    But the US born from a anticolonial insurrection shouldn´t have "forget" their values.

    I guess, the main problem after WW II was the "Truman doctrine" and the false equating of the mildest socialism with evil communism by the US - Gouverments, which leds to the support of obviously corrupt "to the bones" dictators in Centralamerica.

    Castro (and Ho Chi minh) were no fanatic communists at the beginning. US Foreign Policy lost chances by not treating them well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus_Iunius_Brutus_Caepio View Post
    Fair is fair. I'm sure, european colonial powers would have tried to maximize their influence there.

    But the US born from a anticolonial insurrection shouldn´t have "forget" their values.

    I guess, the main problem after WW II was the "Truman doctrine" and the false equating of the mildest socialism with evil communism by the US - Gouverments, which leds to the support of obviously corrupt "to the bones" dictators in Centralamerica.

    Castro (and Ho Chi minh) were no fanatic communists at the beginning. US Foreign Policy lost chances by not treating them well.
    Admittedly, though, the US reaction made sense, since the Soviets did actively attempt to spread their influence. Certainly, the US made policy mistakes, especially with regard to the Islamic fundamentalists, but the Soviets were quite aggressive and Communism was a real danger, not an imagined one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Up to a point fair. But its not like everyone else ans there brother was not waiting to exploit Mexico and Central America as well (recall Nappy III). The ignorance of most Americans as to US policy there is troubling, but the great powers in Europe would have done the same. The local deserve some agency as well. Had put thier house in order over the 1800s before the US emerged as power perhaps they would have done better. But fair to say the US did not ever live up to its rhetoric in Central America - or maybe it did if you correctly recall the jingoist and racist tone of manifest destiny back in the day - but the USA likes to forget that now.
    True to a certain degree, and yet not so much.
    Africa and India arguably got something for their colonisation. Railways, governmental institutions, etc. Things they didn't have before.

    South America gets nothing from the US other than repeatedly being thrown back decades. And yes, I say "gets" because they're still doing this. Last documented US-coup in Honduras was 2009. We have to thank Wikileaks that we know of Hillary's involvement in this.

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    Führer Trump
    Let's just keep calling the president most supportive of the Jewish state in the history of the US, and who has a Jewish daughter and son-in-law, a Nazi. Really useful for the discussion.
    and palestinians live as fourth-class citizens
    Because they're not citizens..?


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    Africa and India arguably got something for their colonisation. Railways, governmental institutions, etc. Things they didn't have before.
    Bengal famine, manipulation of ethnic and religious differences to make colonial rule easier, Congo, borders that make no sense... At least Panama got a canal

    We have to thank Wikileaks that we know of Hillary's involvement in this.
    Odd really a very minor and light touch involvement by typical US standards is so often treated as as some red badge of shame on Hillery (but apparently not the whole government) - yet far more egregious activities by Uncle Ronnie or JFK are ignored by those who idolize either man. Its not like Trump is not flirting publicly and privately with supporting or backing a coup in Venezuela - seems to come with the job (US president) no matter what your policy was before. It is sort of amazing that from 1900 - till now only FDR with the good neighbor policy really manged to avoid treating central America and the surrounds and private game field.

    Admittedly, though, the US reaction made sense, since the Soviets did actively attempt to spread their influence. Certainly, the US made policy mistakes, especially with regard to the Islamic fundamentalists, but the Soviets were quite aggressive and Communism was a real danger, not an imagined one.
    How? To what, too whom? Massively corrupt oligarchs that existed only to support the interests of US companies? Example - Jacobo Árbenz, Juan José Arévalo. I looking hard to see the heavy hand to Mother Russia. But I do United Fruit being offended that a Government dare to enforce labor rights and working conditions typical of the US. One that suppressed communist unions and exiled communist leaders. One who land reform was so modest (and successful) give the preexisting land tenures its hard not to call it anything but fair. But sure they had to go (and a lot of the poor - better dead than maybe red after you topple their elected government hey).
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