Another parade for massmigration

[NorseThing]

Hundreds of Honduran migrants are headed for the United States border, just days after Vice President Pence sat down with the Central American country’s leader, urging him to take a tougher stance on mass migrations.

At least 1,300 people, including young children, left San Pedro Sula in northern Honduras on Saturday, in what some are calling the “March of the Migrant,” Hundreds of Hondurans head for US border in mass migration 'march,' report says

Reuters reported.
Read the full article at the link. I know this is simply the latest of many reports of mass migration. This one seems if the reporting is true to be a spontaneous migration simply happening because the media reported it had begun. I can see no difference between a spontaneous and a planned demonstration or parade though. It is still people wanting to defy not their own government, but the government and rules of another country. In this case the USA rules on immigration. Yes pack a back and get started. Bring the children as well. I fear this cannot end well for these people. Hondurus is not exactly a short walk to the USA border.

[conon394]

If are we honest we send buses and pick them up - given that the US spend a fair part of the last century making sure Central America was screwed backwater with little to functioning civil society.

[NosPortatArma]

I am baffled by how some people seem to think they have a right to come to another country.

[PointOfViewGun]

I am baffled by how some people seem to think they have a right to come to another country.

Perhaps you didn't read the convention on refugees?

[Big War Bird]

Perhaps you didn't read the convention on refugees?

Honduras is not a hole, we have been assured.

[conon394]

I am baffled by how some people seem to think they have a right to come to another country.

I glad my Polish great grandparents were not.

[athanaric]

If are we honest we send buses and pick them up - given that the US spend a fair part of the last century making sure Central America was screwed backwater with little to functioning civil society.

How about helping to redress the situation by making fair deals with local businesses and supporting a local government that acts in the interest of its people, instead? Far more sustainable.
Inviting any number of unknown, un-vetted people into your country because reasons is retarded.

[PointOfViewGun]

Honduras is not a hole, we have been assured.

There you are, presenting a double edged sword. We either have to accept that Honduras is a of a country which you seem to imply would grant them refugee status, or, we have to accept that Honduras is not such a bad place which is an idea you seem to be against of while that idea relieves them of their refugee rights... Sadly, there is a third alternative, you don't need a of a country to be able to count people from there as refugees. Logic, I know, so annoying...

[conon394]

How about helping to redress the situation by making fair deals with local businesses and supporting a local government that acts in the interest of its people, instead? Far more sustainable.
Inviting any number of unknown, un-vetted people into your country because reasons is retarded.

I was being a tad sarcastic in that I find the US reaction against immigration by many Americans funny. My point was given the US spent most of the 20th century fairly directly putting central America where it is today either through direct political/military action or as side product of our inane war on drugs and mass export of fire arms - its a bit rich to suddenly wake up say ahh refugees. Moreover its not like we have not created the demand - when Americans decide they really want to pay to citizens work jobs American won't than I buy we need a wall and toss illegals and what not out.

Inviting any number of unknown, un-vetted people into your country because reasons is retarded

Again traditionally worked fairly well in the past for the US. Again personal experience sure after 3 generations I can point at whole list of successful business owners, Lawyers, MDs, PhDs, MAs BAs etc. out of my living relatives. I can also list 3 generations of Polacks who managed to volunteer for every US war since WW1 But to be honest the ones who got off the boat were by in large small time criminals and day labors, who just manged to get respectable factory work after years of flirting about on the edge. Better than they had it Poland however so I have a faith that you generally get rewarded by giving somebody a second chance.

How about helping to redress the situation by making fair deals with local businesses and supporting a local government that acts in the interest of its people, instead? Far more sustainable.

Ha Ha. You know how many Americans can likely find (on a map) or name the countries of Central America (although I suppose the rich ones might have Costa Rica planed for an Eco tour). How fewer still have any firm grasp of the sorted history of how the US manipulated and bullied, occupied and more or less screwed up the place for either the needs of Dole or the United Fruit Company or delusions of some Commie take over that would somehow threaten the US (well I suppose maybe people in Moscow would get cheap bananas - maybe that would stopped the fall of the USSR?).

I surprised Trump as not put tariffs on them for illegal exports to the US... That's about all your going to get out US foreign policy right now. The republicans have done a wonderful job of sustaining the ideal there is some vast pool of foreign aid and assistance programs that if cut would save us from national debt. No republican will propose any such plan as you suggest and the ideal is so pervasive neither will a democrat. After the big West African Ebola outbreak. Obama manged to secure a new CDC program to develop a region wide monitoring and response capacity and improve the abilty of the CDC to have more resources for Ebola or other emerging pathogens in Africa. Trump killed that out of hand, and I not sure any Democrats even noticed, the media certainly did not - funny how fast a scary event fades from memory. Do really think if the US can't even maintain a program designed to detect and stop Ebola it will muster the energy to really care about Central America?

[Heathen Hammer]

If are we honest we send buses and pick them up - given that the US spend a fair part of the last century making sure Central America was screwed backwater with little to functioning civil society.

That would not solve the problem. I mean yeah, if you are a virtue-signaling bleeding heart politician. But if US really wanted to help them, they'd de-fund and shut down CIA and end the "war on drugs".

[conon394]

That would not solve the problem. I mean yeah, if you are a virtue-signaling bleeding heart politician. But if US really wanted to help them, they'd de-fund and shut down CIA and end the "war on drugs".

The former is ranting HH. The CIA is simply a tool of the government. US policy is US policy. Team B was not internal CIA creation but one caused by outside political forces in the US. Iran Contra was a backdoor Whitehouse operation. After Korea the US was fairly politically united on the concept of Sino-Soviet block and seeing any even mild socialism outside of Western Europe a commie plot. Unless you magic away nation states every nation will have (and should have) foreign and domestic intel agencies. The later however is true and I made that point I already noted

[Vanoi]

Good luck to those Hondurans. The trip from there to the US border is pretty dangerous.

[Heathen Hammer]

The former is ranting HH. The CIA is simply a tool of the government. US policy is US policy. Team B was not internal CIA creation but one caused by outside political forces in the US. Iran Contra was a backdoor Whitehouse operation. After Korea the US was fairly politically united on the concept of Sino-Soviet block and seeing any even mild socialism outside of Western Europe a commie plot. Unless you magic away nation states every nation will have (and should have) foreign and domestic intel agencies. The later however is true and I made that point I already noted

CIA isn't a real intelligence agency thou not after years of terrorist funding and friendship with drug cartels. I mean yeah, afterwards they would have to start from scratch and create a genuine intelligence agency, of course after CIA officials are properly lustrated.

[Sir Adrian]

The CIA is simply a tool of the government.

Is it really though? How many times did one of your tools do stuff behind your back or against your direct instructions?

[Mithridate]

One has the right to seek asylum, not to it, to migrate let alone immigrate. Have a buss or plane take those who comply back to their nation ( or least, the ones with children ), funded by the money their country would otherwise have in aid. Let the wall stand tall and proud or have this keep happening in great numbers.

[Vanoi]

One has the right to seek asylum, not to it, to migrate let alone immigrate. Have a buss or plane take those who comply back to their nation ( or least, the ones with children ), funded by the money their country would otherwise have in aid. Let the wall stand tall and proud or have this keep happening in great numbers.

The wall is useless.
I swear everytime there is a thread on immigrants it's a European advocating extreme measures against then. Think America needs to restrict immigration from Europe. Don't need such extreme ideas.

[Mithridate]

Walls are useless? Israel is a lie, as is the existence of guilty people I suppose.

[Vanoi]

Israel's "wall" isn't as much of a wall as it is high-tech security barrier. It's very expensive and trying to apply it to the very long US border would cost hundreds of billions of dollars.

Just because you cross a border illegally doesn't mean you deserve death. Let's reserve the death penalty for crimes with actual victims.

[Mithridate]

So you were quite mistaken when you said walls were useless then, or did you originally say "the wall"? You just have a quite complex and nuanced view on walls.
You're also still stuck on death, the journey seem the most likely thing to kill them - not the armed border guards and the far too kindly system.

[Vanoi]

So you were quite mistaken when you said walls were useless then, or did you originally say "the wall"? You just have a quite complex and nuanced view on walls.

Don't confuse what I said with the West Bank wall. That is wall. The barrier they have with the Sinai is more like a high-tech security fence.

Both work but I wouldn't compare them the US border. It's much longer and more obstacles. And since issue is pertaining to the US a giant wall would be useless. The Israeli's have the benefit of a much shorter wall thats very easy to set up checkpoints and patrol compared to the US border.

And like I said to copy the Israeli's and what they built would cost billions of dollars more than the current plan of just building a tall wall over 1000 miles long.

You're also still stuck on death, the journey seem the most likely thing to kill them - not the armed border guards and the far too kindly system.

You were the first one to mention mass murder, not me. The trip is dangerous but it still doesn't mean you should shoot them if they cross the border.