Political Controversy After Australian Student Refused to Stand for Anthem

[Copperknickers II]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_o...nce_(Australia)

Looks by wiki not much different from the USA that I know.

In any case this is a flawed thread. A bunch of elected officials are being upset for show and quote as being upset. This has no more to do with Australia than politicians or internet posters getting excited about the Kaepernick anthem protest are a reflection of American values. A child does something and the whole internet is now informed. A small select bunch of quotes from politicians are best left alone. I do not trust the few quotes as a real basis for a discussion other than discussing those particular politicians. Some of the posts in this thread have already done this. The thread should now die. Rest in Peace thread!

The chances of elected politicians in most Western countries publicly criticising a little girl for not standing for the national anthem are precisely zero. The fact things have got that far in Australia, a country that didn't even exist until 100 years ago, is very worrying and doesn't bode well for Australia's future.

[Henry of Grosmont]

While your comparison to the US is understandable, it's also quite different. The NFL players that protest the anthem are doing so in their workplace, something you don't have the right to do. No one would care (or at least, significantly fewer people) if it were done in their own spare time in the streets for example.

If you're implying that private organisation can have its own regulations, there's no rule in NFL that requires you to do so.

[Pontifex Maximus]

So a self loathing/edgy student indulges in some sort of ill thought out political manifesto and it makes headlines. So what. The only thing more cringey than that is a bunch of full grown millionaires protesting the flag and anthem of the nation that allowed them to become millionaires for playing a game. Any way you want to slice it, it is absurd.

[Cyclops]

The issue is dead here, hasn't been heard of, but clearly its triggered some grown men who feel the need to yell at a little girl.

So a self loathing/edgy student indulges in some sort of ill thought out political manifesto and it makes headlines.

I have to say having a whack at a nine year old girl is pretty cringey. Edgy? Self loathing? Weak effort, says much more about you than her.

The only thing more cringey than that is a bunch of full grown millionaires protesting the flag and anthem of the nation that allowed them to become millionaires for playing a game. Any way you want to slice it, it is absurd.

Free speech was a thing in the US at one time.

National anthems are very abused politically. The idea of trying to brand a sports event as somehow related to the government is weird and cringey. I can see the point of playing anthems at international events eg Olympics, which are political pissing contests and the athletes wearing their nation's colours, but when private for profit entertainers perform why is the anthem being played?

There's literally no reason for the anthem to be played, its just a private corporation stealing national sentiment. A player opting out of standing (and they still kneel and bow the head, which surely falls into the category of respectful acknowledgement) is a non issue.

The argument against Kaepernick seems to be "The NFL is somehow as holy as the Constitution and are allowed to use the anthem for profit, and also the NFL owns the players, how dare they insult US freedom by expressing their political views freely", its confused nonsense.

[Infidel144]

If you're implying that private organisation can have its own regulations, there's no rule in NFL that requires you to do so.

Did something change since this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...em-league-says

[Basil II the B.S]

A 9 years old doesn't come up with ideas like those on her own and she's definitely innocent. The fault is definitely on liberal parents who apparently have been already brainwashing her since young age into their hatred against white people.

Child protection services should look into that.

[Aexodus]

Uhhh nah. It’s not good if her school/ABC television/the state is telling her this, but her parents can do whatever they want.

[95thrifleman]

Why are kids singing the national anthem anyway? Always felt that was a stupid custom.

[Cyclops]

A 9 years old doesn't come up with ideas like those on her own and she's definitely innocent. The fault is definitely on liberal parents who apparently have been already brainwashing her since young age into their hatred against white people.

Child protection services should look into that.

Detain children for double plus ungood thoughtcrime? Big Brother likes this.

[Muizer]

There are three main issues that I want to raise/ discuss regarding this incident:

1. I am quite confused by the harsh reactions. She didn't stand up for the anthem... So? I don't see how its an important issue let a lone newsworthy. I also find it quite totalitarian to demand someone to conform to a behaviour even though abstention from said behaviour doesn't impact others and it is a polite way to publicly express grievances.
2. The flag raising/ anthem recitation. I won't say that this ritual is completely useless. However, I find it's main aim to be instilling rudimentary tribalistic behaviour. I'd rather have people exercise or socialise with each other over that.
3. I do want to note that regardless of people's take on it, the issue is already polarizing people (as evident by the political reaction quoted above). It seems to me that this is the real motivation behind the incident "newsworthiness". It allows people to bunker up and force the rest to take side.

I'm interested in discussing and reading people's point of views on the topic.

I agree with you except the "not saying it's totally useless" bit. It's worse. Vicarious pride is a weakness. Parents and schools should warn children about it and teach them to recognize and resist it, not stimulate it, for goodness sake.

[L'Afrique]

A 9 years old doesn't come up with ideas like those on her own and she's definitely innocent. The fault is definitely on liberal parents who apparently have been already brainwashing her since young age into their hatred against white people.

Child protection services should look into that.

I opposed the american wars in Afghanistan and later Iraq, that my parents supported, starting at age 9. (I was born september 11, 1992, great date eh?) Give kids some credit and try to see past the liberal sjw white-hating boogeyman.

[Basil II the B.S]

Detain children for double plus ungood thoughtcrime? Big Brother likes this.

Is that really what you read? Because I'm fairly sure I said the child is innocent and the parents are to blame.

Double plus ungood indeed the Ministry hasn't approved this truth yet.

I opposed the american wars in Afghanistan and later Iraq, that my parents supported, starting at age 9. (I was born september 11, 1992, great date eh?) Give kids some credit and try to see past the liberal sjw white-hating boogeyman.

A kid can be against wars but associating an anthem with white supremacism? She heard it somewhere. It's not uncommon for liberal parents to use their kids as meat shields for their crusades either.

[conon394]

Is that really what you read? Because I'm fairly sure I said the child is innocent and the parents are to blame.

If true - to what blame them for encouraging peaceful protest?

A kid can be against wars but associating an anthem with white supremacism? She heard it somewhere. It's not uncommon for liberal parents to use their kids as meat shields for their crusades either.

From the quotes I can find she hardy accused the Anthem of 'Super Racism', just that it marginalized a segment of Australian people and history. "It's not uncommon for liberal parent" Yep because you know conservatives never say drag their kids to abortion blockades.

[Basil II the B.S]

If true - to what blame them for encouraging peaceful protest?

Encouraging baseless irrational hatred against a successful society. They should be deported to somewhere of their choosing where white people are not the majority, so they can finally stop complaining about their white privilege and enjoy the tolerance they claim non Western societies have.

From the quotes I can find she hardy accused the Anthem of 'Super Racism', just that it marginalized a segment of Australian people and history. "It's not uncommon for liberal parent" Yep because you know conservatives never say drag their kids to abortion blockades.

As opposed to what? Liberal parents telling their kids they can be genderfluid so they can brag to their friends about their ''open mindedness and tolerance''?

Because that's what you guys teach to kids...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://imgur.com/a/iFPkAnZ

''''''''''''''''''''''''''Progress''''''''''''''''''''''

Just thrash this society already.

It's alsohilarious how the liberal elite has come to resemble decadent elites in dystopias, feminized men, gender neutral clothing. Ready to be overthrown and relegated to the dustbin of history.

[Henry of Grosmont]

So a self loathing/edgy student indulges in some sort of ill thought out political manifesto and it makes headlines. So what. The only thing more cringey than that is a bunch of full grown millionaires protesting the flag and anthem of the nation that allowed them to become millionaires for playing a game. Any way you want to slice it, it is absurd.

Wasn't he protesting against police brutality and not the flag? I like the change of the narrative here.

Did something change since this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...em-league-says

Oh, so NFL again proved to be the league office: half measures again.

[L'Afrique]

You're projecting pretty hard mate.

[Cyclops]

Is that really what you read? Because I'm fairly sure I said the child is innocent and the parents are to blame.

Double plus ungood indeed the Ministry hasn't approved this truth yet. .

Apologies, you want the parents punished for thoughtcrime. Carry on.

[Commissar Caligula_]

Encouraging baseless irrational hatred against a successful society. They should be deported to somewhere of their choosing where white people are not the majority, so they can finally stop complaining about their white privilege and enjoy the tolerance they claim non Western societies have.



As opposed to what? Liberal parents telling their kids they can be genderfluid so they can brag to their friends about their ''open mindedness and tolerance''?

Because that's what you guys teach to kids...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://imgur.com/a/iFPkAnZ

''''''''''''''''''''''''''Progress''''''''''''''''''''''

Just thrash this society already.

It's alsohilarious how the liberal elite has come to resemble decadent elites in dystopias, feminized men, gender neutral clothing. Ready to be overthrown and relegated to the dustbin of history.

Ah of course, it all makes sense to me now. Nine year olds having opinions contrary to yours are responsible for the downfall of society. Woe, the end is near! We must silence nine year olds from expressing any opinions, and if their parents show the slightest sign of dissidence they should be shipped off to another country to keep the state safe from scary things such as other beliefs. Oh and don't forget that if you don't toe the line, you're probably a TRANSGENDER ENABLING George Soros pawn.

A nine year old decided not to stand up for the national anthem.
The school and two politicians went ape .
The media wanted some clickbait, so they interviewed the kid.
The kid expressed their opinion
Now men are no longer allowed to breathe without permission from Hillary Clinton and Georgina Soros.

[Harith]

Now men are no longer allowed to breathe without permission from Hillary Clinton and Georgina Soros.

Can confirm. Its only a matter of time before Georgina Soros puts all Western men into her Hummus slave farm.

[Cyclops]

Can confirm. Its only a matter of time before Georgina Soros puts all Western men into her Hummus slave farm.

...with nothing but organic crudites and artisanal lavosh for dipping! However the health plan is to die for, HRT and sex changes for everyone.