Liberal inquisition: the persecution of Alex Jones

[Basil II the B.S]

Moved from the Academy to the Mudpit, as it's about a specific current event. ~Abdülmecid I

A good example of how liberals act when in power and how much they value freedom of speech and press.

Alex Jones, popular conspiracy theorist was removed from Youtube, Facebook, Apple, Spotify within the same day.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ars-alex-jones
More recently, he was removed from Twitter as well, after attending Jack Dorsey (Twitter's CEO) testimony at the US Congress about Twitter mass censorship of conservative voices.

The primary deed of Jones is promoting the idea that Sandy Hook killings were staged and the survivors are crisis Actors. He was also prominent in the 2000s for believing 9/11 was staged. Both are years old conspiracies, they were never a problem until Hillary lost and Brexit happened and Liberals started their hysteria about fake news.

Trump said his team is looking into it.

This is actually a pretty interesting case if you are a conservative, because they are private company and they should do whatever they want. On the other hand, most enjoy a quasi-monopolistic position and that's bad for the free market. If I were Trump, that's where I'd look. The fact that many companies banned Jones within the same day hints coordination and that's cartel. If multiple companies coordinate actions against a consumer, then there's plenty of material to go against them as they become a threat to the market. This includes multi billion dollars fines but also splitting the companies (eg YouTube from Google).

Markets logic aside, the case is a shining beacon of the society liberals want to build, where their Conspiracy theories (see the Russia collusion) are shoven down everyone's throat and dissenting voices are progressively repressed. The mass censorship is an obvious attempt to impact the Midterm elections where Liberals hope to take both houses and impeach Trump. Under that logic, Zuckerberg and co. are acting as subversive organizations attempting to rig the democratic process, meaning they have become a threat to freedom and democracy.

Facebook in particular is acting in coordination with the Atlantic Council, so you know who's behind the courtain in Zuckerberg's case.
http://fortune.com/2018/05/17/facebo...n-propaghanda/

The Atlantic Council is a think thank funded by the who's who of the globalist elite raging from NATO to the US military complex (Lockheed Martin), the European one (Thales),a variety of oil companies, the Rockfeller, the usual Soros, etc. You can find the rag here. http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/images/publications/Atlantic_Council_2016-2017_Annual_Report_.pdf

[TheDarkKnight]

Poor wittle Alex Jones. He now only has his own website alone to conduct his campaign of harassment against grieving families.

How will we sleep at night, knowing that his followers only have ONE website to which they can flock and hear the words of their human garbage of a talking head?

Also that is a lie. People have found his beliefs disgusting and abhorrent long before Hilary lost. Why you feel like everything leads back to "the left" is hilarious and still kind of sad, dude. Find another angle...this is boring.

It sounds like these companies finally had enough of his conspiratorial and banned him. That is their right. As it would be anyone else's right to ban someone for the...er...."Russian conspiracy"...cause the idiotic ramblings of Sandy Hook truthers and the ongoing investigation into the overall 2016 campaign are on the same playing field . Also the case with Twitter is hilarious because the CEO was on Jones' side until Jones started blasting both him and his company. Guess Mr. Jones didn't have the brain cells to conclude that MIGHT lead to him to losing the last of his allies. Not surprise on that one.

Pretty much the end of the discussion. Any more arguing about it is a waste of time and bytes, because Jones is the very definition of a pile of human excrement. He is not worth defending as his actions and words cross the line into harassment and defamation. I do hope to see him get crushed in court and hopefully be driven out of business...or at the very least have to depend on selling his "supplements" to survive.

I do enjoy these daily dalliances into the posts/head demons of Basil though. Maybe one day they will ACTUALLY have something of substance rather than just mindless shrieking over "dem libruls", but I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

[Basil II the B.S]

Well, at least you are honest in your support for mass censorship. Infowars is going to be fine, their subscriptions spiked as result of the liberal inquisition.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/t...-trending.html

Gulags again? Mass starvations? Civil war? Because that's what the pile of human garbage known as Marxists did in their various iterations in Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, Cambodia, Hungary and more recently Venezuela. The name changes sure. The core concepts of the ideology don't. It's the only ideology that has a 100% failure rate across cultures and ethnicity. It always ends up the same, guns confiscations, limiting free speech, mass censorship, then the mass killings start. Maybe this time you'll try something new, genocide white people?

You know the Nazis and the Japanase have this joke ''next time without Italy''. The commie version is ''next time without white people''.

Edit.

Another question, do you really think sooner or later it won't be your turn to be censored? There's a reason if free societies don't resort to censorship, because history is pretty clear that's a slippery slope, there are countless examples.

Alternatively, if your side loses the civil war, is it fair if you get treated the same way you treat conservatives? Public harassment, mass censorship, ideological brainwashing replacing education, any of your positions ranging from no borders to diversity treated as treason or attempted genocide? Is that good for you guys?

[Aexodus]

I mean Apple just removed his app from the app store. Now there’s only google play and his website.

I mean, what happens when his domain decides not to host him? Thing is guys, this whole thing doesn’t stop at Alex Jones

[TheDarkKnight]

I'm fairly certain you are not actually debating but forming incoherent nonsense around buzzwords but to continue the amusement

1. Not liberal, not marxist, not socialist, not commie, not (insert generic and tiresome pejorative for a left leaning ideology). I know liberals are a bit trigger happy to denounce any right-leaning viewpoint as Nazi (trust me, it annoys me greatly as it cheapens the ACTUAL NAZIS that are ACTUALLY popping up in the world right now)...but luckily conservatives basically do the same thing with any left-leaning viewpoint as well. Don't believe me? I'm here saying that many conservatives are idiots and you instantly think I'm a Marxist (news flash...people on the right and the left can think other people on their side are idiots). That's pretty damn hypocritical of you and I think should lead to you having some inward reflection but...We both know that won't happen.

Luckily for me I actually take the time to make sure I actually believe someone to be a nazi or communist before calling them out (both ideologies I abhor, by the way...you know what happens when you assume)

2. I'm white. I don't support white genocide (or you know...any genocide) for obvious reasons but the fact that you are fearful of..what...a billion people dying anytime soon because of their skin color is HILARIOUS. Though to be perfectly honest I care more about the human race than any skin color unlike a lot of people I know who think the world would be better off if only that 1 billion people were alive. Some of them are here on this site.

3. Not censorship by the government so not really a problem. If anything Jones HAS been "censored" by the FCC (government) just within the past few weeks because of a pirate radio if I remember correctly. At least the FCC was doing its job for once. I DO agree with the slippery slope issue...but we aren't there yet. Let me know when the government starts wanting to ban news orgs from things like Trump wanted to do this year with CNN.

4. Even if I WERE censored by any business I would simply stop doing business with them. Simple, yet effective. If, for example, Facebook banned me because I finally lost it and told a bunch of idiotic extreme conservatives or extreme liberals to go themselves, I wouldn't exactly lose much. Sure, I lose a distraction in my life but since my life doesn't revolve around such nonsense it is no loss at all. Social media is hardly a necessity and we are realistically better off without it. Luckily I don't espouse any idiocy I may or may not possess for the world to wonder if I deserve it.

5. You suspiciously leave out the socialist(ish) leaning countries in Europe that are actually doing quite well right now, and ignore the dozens (hundreds?) of capitalist societies that have failed. I can't imagine why. I mean if you really wanted to make an argument, socialism has had, what, a hundred years of practice? Capitalism has had millennia to be perfected and it hasn't so...what is its problem?

6. Alex Jones is still not worth defending. You refuse to comment on the fact he has crossed a line, and I am beginning to see why. Free speech has limits for a reason and Jones crossed that line when he began a smear campaign of harassment and defamation against private citizens who were grieving for their murdered children. That is not the actions of a free citizen using their freedom of speech but that of a monster refusing to give families peace and glorifying their emotional torture at the hands of his supporters. Going beyond that, the webistes in question have concluded that Jones violated their terms of service (likely numerous times). So they can ban whom they wish.

If you don't think that Jones crossed a line when it came to the school shootings then this conversation isn't worth continuing.

7. Civil War? Why do you keep bringing that up? I have literally never heard of anyone on "my side" talk about it. Again, it only seems to be the conservative "militia" types that want to start shooting at people...and mostly brown people at that. I would know, seeing as how my brother joined one of those disgusting organizations and started copying their manifesto word for word.

No one on the left legit thinks they could win in a war against the right. It's only the right that thinks their guns could win in a war against a modern military for...reasons?

8. I really don't think you are interested in genuine debate but rather prefer to come here day after day to post this silliness.

[95thrifleman]

I mean Apple just removed his app from the app store. Now there’s only google play and his website.

I mean, what happens when his domain decides not to host him? Thing is guys, this whole thing doesn’t stop at Alex Jones

Are you suggesting private companies should be forced to host or support someone?

It seems people are quite happy to whine about censorship while ignoring the right of private companies to chose what to allow on their platforms.

[Muizer]

Are you suggesting private companies should be forced to host or support someone?

It seems people are quite happy to whine about censorship while ignoring the right of private companies to chose what to allow on their platforms.

Are they free to choose what to do though? There is pressure from governments on these companies to censor the content appearing on their platform. In a way it's an understandable reaction where it concerns things like child pornography, ISIS execution movies and such, but as a mechanism it does reeks of totalitarianism.

On the other hand, it seems certain people cannot accept that when companies take 'liberal' measures, it's actually the result of a cold corporate analysis that to not do so would damage their brand. Because that, you know, would imply liberal values have actually taken root in society and aren't just a nefarious plot by a monstrous cabal of corporates and socialists.

[Aexodus]

The complaint is that every major social media is liberal.

Because that, you know, would imply liberal values have actually taken root in society and aren't just a nefarious plot by a monstrous cabal of corporates and socialists.

Are you implying everyone is a ‘liberal’

cold corporate analysis that to not do so would damage their brand.

What are you talking about. The whole censorship thing is damaging their brand (Facebook, Twitter) more than being impartial ever could.

[Basil II the B.S]

I mean Apple just removed his app from the app store. Now there’s only google play and his website.

I mean, what happens when his domain decides not to host him? Thing is guys, this whole thing doesn’t stop at Alex Jones

He runs for Pres in 2024. Then liberals will get what they deserve.

[PointOfViewGun]

Was Alex Jones banned from any public medium?

[Prodromos]

Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood still have official Twitter accounts.

[Basil II the B.S]

I'm fairly certain you are not actually debating but forming incoherent nonsense around buzzwords but to continue the amusement

I do have a lot of fun either way. I enjoy meaningful discussions and poking fun.

1. Not liberal, not marxist, not socialist, not commie, not (insert generic and tiresome pejorative for a left leaning ideology). I know liberals are a bit trigger happy to denounce any right-leaning viewpoint as Nazi (trust me, it annoys me greatly as it cheapens the ACTUAL NAZIS that are ACTUALLY popping up in the world right now)...but luckily conservatives basically do the same thing with any left-leaning viewpoint as well. Don't believe me? I'm here saying that many conservatives are idiots and you instantly think I'm a Marxist (news flash...people on the right and the left can think other people on their side are idiots). That's pretty damn hypocritical of you and I think should lead to you having some inward reflection but...We both know that won't happen.

Luckily for me I actually take the time to make sure I actually believe someone to be a nazi or communist before calling them out (both ideologies I abhor, by the way...you know what happens when you assume)

Oh there are plenty of idiots among conservatives, Nazis being some of them. MGTOW and Crusaders being other groups of imbecilles on my side.

2. I'm white. I don't support white genocide (or you know...any genocide) for obvious reasons but the fact that you are fearful of..what...a billion people dying anytime soon because of their skin color is HILARIOUS. Though to be perfectly honest I care more about the human race than any skin color unlike a lot of people I know who think the world would be better off if only that 1 billion people were alive. Some of them are here on this site.

The overwhelming majority of those who support discrimination against whites are whites themselves, more specifically upper class white liberals, who demand to enjoy the economic benefits deriving by their mostly hereditary status while at the same time lecture lower class whites on ''white privilege'', ''white fragility'', ''the patriarchy'' and the rest of postmodernist claims, which stem from critical theory anyway. So you might no call yourself a Marxist but if you support claims such as systemic oppression, or policies like ''diversitiu and inclusion'' then you are supporting Neo-Marxist policies. We haven't crossed swords before so I'm not sure if you do.

3. Not censorship by the government so not really a problem. If anything Jones HAS been "censored" by the FCC (government) just within the past few weeks because of a pirate radio if I remember correctly. At least the FCC was doing its job for once. I DO agree with the slippery slope issue...but we aren't there yet. Let me know when the government starts wanting to ban news orgs from things like Trump wanted to do this year with CNN.

Do you know why censorship by the government is bad? Because it has the monopoly in the use of force. This is a tenet of (classical) liberal societies. Google/Microsoft/Facebook/Twitter are quasi monopolies in their relative markets, and a cartel among them is a de-facto oligopoly over social media.

5. You suspiciously leave out the socialist(ish) leaning countries in Europe that are actually doing quite well right now, and ignore the dozens (hundreds?) of capitalist societies that have failed. I can't imagine why. I mean if you really wanted to make an argument, socialism has had, what, a hundred years of practice? Capitalism has had millennia to be perfected and it hasn't so...what is its problem?

If you mean the Nordic model, none of them is socialist by definition. Socialism=state owned property of the mean of production, the state runs the economy. In the Nordic countries the state does not own the means of productions, 90% or so are private. This is the fundamental difference between for example Norway and Venezuela.
Nordic countries do have rather high tax and redistribute policies and those are ''social-democrat'' which used to be the compromise of moderate leftists with a capitalist economy. The market would produce, the state would redistribute.

Let's dig further. There's now overwhelming evidence that diversity undermines social cohesion, including support for welfare (Putnam). People are more keen to share… as long as its within their ethnic group. Swe/Nor/Den have rather limited populations 10/5/5 respectively that used to be very homogenous until the late 90s. So to have a social-democratic economy you need a small, ethnically cohese population that is willing to take care of itself. The US have the exact opposite. An ethnically heterogenous population with low social cohesion inter-groups. In short, you'll never be like Norway (and you'd still ned oil reserves for 320 million people instead of just 5 million, that's not going to happen either).

(This isn't even my argument anyway, it's from David Goodhart, a reasonable leftist).

6. Alex Jones is still not worth defending. You refuse to comment on the fact he has crossed a line, and I am beginning to see why. Free speech has limits for a reason and Jones crossed that line when he began a smear campaign of harassment and defamation against private citizens who were grieving for their murdered children. That is not the actions of a free citizen using their freedom of speech but that of a monster refusing to give families peace and glorifying their emotional torture at the hands of his supporters. Going beyond that, the webistes in question have concluded that Jones violated their terms of service (likely numerous times). So they can ban whom they wish.

He hasn't. Posting dumb Conspiracy theories isn't a crime. There are flat earthers on Facebook, want to chase them too? You cross the line when you advocate murder, he hasn't done that

7. Civil War? Why do you keep bringing that up? I have literally never heard of anyone on "my side" talk about it. Again, it only seems to be the conservative "militia" types that want to start shooting at people...and mostly brown people at that. I would know, seeing as how my brother joined one of those disgusting organizations and started copying their manifesto word for word.

No one on the left legit thinks they could win in a war against the right. It's only the right that thinks their guns could win in a war against a modern military for...reasons?

There's one side that wants to limit or even repel the 1st and 2nd amendment, overthrow an elected president, actively discriminate against an ethnic group, abolish law enforcement when it comes to illegal immigration and censor disagreeing voice on the internet. I don't think any of that is base for negotiation. There's no way we should negotiate on limiting constitutional rights, ethnic replacement and censorship. No thanks.

Also, do you really think that the military, primarily white males, will side with you? And the police after the BLM thing? Law enforcement won't be on your side, mainly because your side refuses to enforce the law when it comes to specific ethnic groups. And those are all you'll get.

Say hi to your bro.

[Aexodus]

Free speech has limits for a reason and Jones crossed that line when he began a smear campaign of harassment and defamation against private citizens who were grieving for their murdered children. That is not the actions of a free citizen using their freedom of speech but that of a monster refusing to give families peace and glorifying their emotional torture at the hands of his supporters.

They specified that this was not the reason he was banned. Apparently, he simultaneously broke the tos of 6 different websites.

Do you know why he was banned from Twitter? For calling out a CNN reporter on her coverage of Brett Kavanaugh. That’s literally it. The reporter in question, has been urging big tech to censor him for a long time now too.

[PointOfViewGun]

They specified that this was not the reason he was banned. Apparently, he simultaneously broke the tos of 6 different websites.

Do you know why he was banned from Twitter? For calling out a CNN reporter on her coverage of Brett Kavanaugh. That’s literally it. The reporter in question, has been urging big tech to censor him for a long time now too.

Or, back in mother Earth of reality, he was banned because of countless violations of Twitter's rules.

[Aexodus]

You’re incorrect setekh https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-...ones-infowars/

[PointOfViewGun]

You’re incorrect setekh https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-...ones-infowars/

I don't think so. https://www.asweetpeachef.com/cream-...o-soup-recipe/

[Aexodus]

You havin me on?!

[Vanoi]

Looks like the social media thread all over again. Private businesses have the right to deny service to people. No one should be forced to hear your opinions.

[Heathen Hammer]

Looks like the social media thread all over again. Private businesses have the right to deny service to people. No one should be forced to hear your opinions.

If you force a monopoly on certain field, this case being social media, then you should not have such right.

[Basil II the B.S]

Looks like the social media thread all over again. Private businesses have the right to deny service to people. No one should be forced to hear your opinions.

So, racists can deny service to blacks, whites or whoever, Christian and Muslim can deny service to gays?