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    On a funny note, here are some reactions in Turkey:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SWtxHnOACQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    Turkey shifting to Russian and Chinese spheres and becoming a regional power that have influence throughout the middle east is a threat to the whole western system, beyond just US state's interests.
    But Turkey has fundamental disagreement with both China and Russia, not to mention both Iranians and Arabs despised Turks even before US existed; why US needs to afraid Turkey would get a pie in Middle East?
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    Yeah, and thats Turkey's dilemma which I am enjoying right now. But in time, everything evolves and changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    But Turkey has fundamental disagreement with both China and Russia, not to mention both Iranians and Arabs despised Turks even before US existed; why US needs to afraid Turkey would get a pie in Middle East?
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    Yeah, and thats Turkey's dilemma which I am enjoying right now. But in time, everything evolves and changes.
    THE enemy of my enemy is my friend. Fundamental truth in politics. Iran may have too many issues against Turkey but they have a common fear. That feat has a name: Kurdistan. If Northern Iraq Kurdish lands become aytonomus officialy or even worst a new state a domino affect will follow in both northern Syria/south Turkey and western Iran! Turkey has arround 26 million Kurds. All of them served in the Turkish Army or served in PKK. All of them are expirient warriors. The same issue exists in Iran.
    So if Israel and USA deside to support a Kurdistan hell will unleased! Over 30 million Kurds will unite to the common goal. Remember that Northern Iraq "authorities" were allies of Turkey untill they made a referendum!
    Arabs are not united.They never were since late 7th century that Son in Law of the Prophet died! Saudi Arabia want to play the role of the "Protector of Arabs and Islam" the same role Erdogan dreams for him self as the new Suleiman the magnificent.
    USA is under nervs brake under the fear the US technology will end up to Russia and Iran (see AIM-9X,F-16 software/hardware and many others). If the hostillity between USA and Turkey continues USA wont hesitade to threat any EU NATO member not to export more weapons and technology. Even K-9 artilery made with Korean help uses both German and US technology...USA with threat Korean to avoid more help to Turkey by that country. Remember that Trump sold weapon systems of 80 billion dollars to Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia bought the two Mistal ships and donated them to Egypt...The chessboard in middle east is very complicated.
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    Neither Iran or Turkey has fear of a Kurdistan getting established in their territory. Northern Iraq is not gonna try the same thing after recently getting ridiculed. Iran is simply trying to acquire friends againts sanctions and Israel. There are no 26 million Kurds in Turkey. Roughly 13-15 million. Not all of them are PKK sympathizers. In fact hooligans who would risk their lives for political causes are quite a minority among them. Most Kurds only demand peace and quiet and development.

    Trump posted another aggressive tweet about Turkey and Brunson 10 hours ago, but Lira is still slowly regaining value. 5.7 currently. Was around 7 two days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Neither Iran or Turkey has fear of a Kurdistan getting established in their territory. Northern Iraq is not gonna try the same thing after recently getting ridiculed. Iran is simply trying to acquire friends againts sanctions and Israel. There are no 26 million Kurds in Turkey. Roughly 13-15 million. Not all of them are PKK sympathizers. In fact hooligans who would risk their lives for political causes are quite a minority among them. Most Kurds only demand peace and quiet and development.

    Trump posted another aggressive tweet about Turkey and Brunson 10 hours ago, but Lira is still slowly regaining value. 5.7 currently. Was around 7 two days ago.
    According to last Official population of Turkey (when it still had 70 million people) Kurds were 20 millions. Both races have the same population growth ratio.
    Yes Lira had an improvement thanks to the release of the 2 Greek Soldiers that gave the "excuse" to EU members to re-start economical NEGOSIATIONS with Turkey. Turkish goverment now has the ball. I was informed that today it was the 1st day that turkish fishingboats did not intruded Greek teritorial waters. That is a move against to an EU opening by Turkey. But remember that the Turkish Navy starts exersises in Cyprus waters right next to the Italian and French drilling areas. Ofcourse the exersise is also close to EXXON Mobil drilling area as well but Erdogan still has no guts to openly provoke an US company. That exersise of the Turkish Navy may trigger negative posts in France and Italy media that would "return" Turkish Lira to its downfall because neither the Italian PM nore the French President will be able to explain why they negosiate with Turkey when Turkey threatens their national interests in Cyprus' waters rightfully own by contracts. See? The line between the total colapse and a smart rebound of the turkish economy its too thin!
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
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    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
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    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Trump posted another aggressive tweet about Turkey and Brunson 10 hours ago, but Lira is still slowly regaining value. 5.7 currently. Was around 7 two days ago.
    It's actually back up by 5.8%. Nonetheless, Trump's words have nothing to do with it. It's no surprise that you could not explain how before anyways.


    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    According to last Official population of Turkey (when it still had 70 million people) Kurds were 20 millions. Both races have the same population growth ratio.


    The last official Turkish census you could use to extrapolate the number of Kurds in Turkey was in 1965. Since then native tongue is not being asked. Back then only about 2.2 million people reported to have a Kurdish language as his or her mother tongue. The latest de facto official census was in 2000. Since 2007 they do by de jure. None of them ask about ethnicity. So, you're just making stuff up.
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    There is no official data on their population. Their numbers can be roughly figured out from the populations of Kurdish areas, election results etc. Thats around 13-15 million as I said. CIA estimate of 2015 is 14.3 million.

    Euro leaders has started expressing support days before the release of Greek soldiers. The real impact came after the strong measures taken by central bank and banking regulation and supervision agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Euro leaders has started expressing support days before the release of Greek soldiers. The real impact came after the strong measures taken by central bank and banking regulation and supervision agency.
    The real impact couldn't even reverse the rate to one-months time. The damage is done. You need to understand what makes prices move.
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    Seems like just a few years ago, all the talk was of great Turkish potential to become a major regional power. The Country being a trading gateway between East and West, and Turkey expanding its influence into the Middle East and Central Asia, something both Beijing and Moscow were concerned about.

    Turkey: A regional power moving forward to becoming one of the top 10 economies in the world
    https://www.dailysabah.com/op-ed/201...s-in-the-world
    Published January 27, 2016
    Today, it seems that all that happened since then was massive growth on borrowed money. However, that potential is still there, I just cannot see it happening given the Country's political situation. It seems something akin to Iran, which is increasingly being the junior partner to get Chinese investment. Iran might have been projecting its influence westwards since the fall of Saddam Hussein, but aside from oil, economically it is far below its economic potential and remains dependent on foreign investment which is increasingly Chinese. Given Turkey's economic weakness under Erdogan, it looks like the Country will go the same way, and become just another piece in China's great "Belt and Road" strategy. Having a leader like Erdgan will assist this process but it certainly will not create another Ottoman empire of any description and Turkey will not be the regional player that was talked about before his adnministration came to office, no matter what rhetoric is being used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Neither Iran or Turkey has fear of a Kurdistan getting established in their territory. .
    Lets be real here bro. Both countries have consistent policies to prevent this from happening. The Kurdish policy is the biggest driver of both domestic and foreign policy in Turkey for decades.
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    Damn I hate my self when I am right! "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
    I wrote in a previus post of mine that Turkey has Saudi Arabia as competitor to who will become the "Protector of Islam". Turkey made a solid alliance with Qatar but take a look at this:
    Saudi Arabia gives 100 million Dollars to YPG!


    The times that both SA and Turkey as good friends supported ISIS with weapons has long gone now ISIS is under collapse. So the two old friends now are competitors to who will control Middle East.
    Turkey's biggest weapon is water...But strangely the springs of both major rivers are in Turkish Kurdistan...
    Coincidence such a move? Naaaa.....I am just a conspiracy guy !
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    I wrote in a previus post of mine that Turkey has Saudi Arabia as competitor to who will become the "Protector of Islam". Turkey made a solid alliance with Qatar
    Its not simply cash this crisis needs, but a major economic reform. But Qatar's move certainly illustrates the politics going on here.

    Qatar's pledge of $15 billion puts Doha on the wrong side of Washington
    Qatar risks US wrath with Turkey bailout as Washington vows to tighten the screws on the Erdogan government
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/qat...ngton-1.760783

    "A Qatari pledge to inject $15 billion into the Turkish economy to stave off its collapse is set to deepen divisions with its neighbours and puts Doha in the cross hairs of US retaliation.
    Analysts described the announcement, made during a trip at the eye of the crisis to Turkey by Qatar’s emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, as a risky move by the emirate at a time when it is isolated from key neighbours.
    Sir Ivor Roberts, an advisor to the Counter Extremism Project and retired British ambassador, warned that Qatar’s aid to Turkey would put further distance between Doha and its traditional allies. The fallout for Qatar and Turkey would be felt beyond the region."

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    Its all about power and power comes with money. In middle East money comes with Oil and Gas resources. Turkey has a huge market (like the Germany in 1930's) but it has no resources other than water.
    You can not dring Oil. So there is a competition in resources control. Turkey in the last decade redused the water supply by half. Syria, Israel , Jordan and part of Saudi Arabia depend on those water supplies.
    Turkey needs oil and the rest need water. As i mentioned above, The dams that control the waters are in the Kurdish area of Turkey. Iran has oil enough to supply Turkey inodrer to continue the water strungulation of the countries i mentioned.
    That move though activates survival reactions by those states. So...they prefer a friendly Kurdistan that will control but also supply all the water they need than beg Turkey for few more water drops.
    There are moments (in history), in which a nation owes,
    if it wants to be considered as a great one, to be able to fight.
    Even without hope of winning. Just because it has to.
    Greek War motto.
    XXI Armored Brigade. Proud that served in that unit in 1996!
    "Spartans do not ask how many (enemies are) but where they are"!
    XXI Armored Brigade's motto.
    The Greek Secret (or why they will fight again if it will be necessary or why they do not sell their history).


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