AMD .vs. Nvidia

[Stone Cold Shogun Panther]

I hear people with fierce opinions about the two. I had a AMD, wasn't a really strong one but wasn't bad. I have currently a 1080TI 11gig and it runs awesome.

[izzi]

I hear people with fierce opinions about the two. I had a AMD, wasn't a really strong one but wasn't bad. I have currently a 1080TI 11gig and it runs awesome.

Nvidia is definitely the master in gpu raw power and for high end gaming rigs (1070, 1070ti, 1080 and 1080ti). AMD gpu's (at least for the moment) are good for (budget) mid range gaming rigs.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Nvidia is definitely the master in gpu raw power and for high end gaming rigs (1070, 1070ti, 1080 and 1080ti). AMD gpu's (at least for the moment) are good for (budget) mid range gaming rigs.

Agreed. Τhat's the raw-unbiased truth.

[Stone Cold Shogun Panther]

Thanks!

How much better is the Titan over the 1080TI? Plus, When are the new lines of Cards being announced I keep hearing about ?

[King Athelstan]

There are several Titan cards over several generations, but the newest one, Titan X (Pascal), there was a Titan X before that too, so we call this one Titan Xp. It has the same gaming performance as the GTX 1080 ti, but outshines it in workstation cards. Which is reflected in the price, which is way higher.

As for the next generation of cards, I believe they're set to launch sometime in August-September

[Condottiere 40K]

AMD prioritized computing over graphics, and shanghaied quite a lot of engineers from those teams, probably one reason Koduri jumped ship.

AMD will likely kick Intel's ass for the next three years, and they seem to have taken a pass for this year's graphics assortment; however, a shrink of one supposes an improved variant of their current architectures, having succeeded with the Epic server chips to seven nanometres, may make next year's Radeons more energy efficient and cheaper.

In theory, the three thousand series Ryzen chips will have plenty of space to cram in more Vega modules, which is presumably what Sony paid them to develop for the Playstation Five.

[Sir Adrian]

The gist of it is nvidia for raw power, AMD for affordability.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

AMD prioritized computing over graphics, and shanghaied quite a lot of engineers from those teams, probably one reason Koduri jumped ship.

AMD will likely kick Intel's ass for the next three years, and they seem to have taken a pass for this year's graphics assortment; however, a shrink of one supposes an improved variant of their current architectures, having succeeded with the Epic server chips to seven nanometres, may make next year's Radeons more energy efficient and cheaper.

In theory, the three thousand series Ryzen chips will have plenty of space to cram in more Vega modules, which is presumably what Sony paid them to develop for the Playstation Five.

Eh... Kick ass on what ? There is no real competition for NVIDIA after 1060gtx. Vega was a ''disaster'' for high end gaming performance and even the priciest AMD's GPUS can't beat the low range 1060gtx. Miners used them cause they're cheap and the sales increase were only from miners. If ypu also check STEAM's latest reports most gamers use NVIDIA GPUs with (lately) Ryzen CPUs. I hope AMD will give us something new now the 2X NVIDIA series are close, cause their prices are damn high. Around 1300$ for a 2080ti. I think I'll keep my 1080ti and wait a move from ΑMD or prices to drop from the Greens.

As for the Ryzen series, the 2nd generation is much more interesting and an excellent all around CPU for multi-threaded processes. They don't offer much to gaming performance though.
I own a (AMD-ATI) low range setup for multimedia and movies, but my gaming setup is a 8700K with a 1080ti (both clocked) I really can't see any need for changing them, even with the next generation cards and processors from any company.

The gist of it is nvidia for raw power, AMD for affordability.

Exactly.

[Condottiere 40K]

The real money is in server chips, where corporations buy thousands and the mark up is a lot more than the consumer offerings, usually bought once every two or three years.

Current Intel architecture is perforated with security holes, something that concerns corporations, but if someone hacks your gaming computer, who cares, since we've already suspected you have tentacle porn hidden in the folder titled summer holidays June twenty seventeen. This is probably due to their reckless disregard to get any type of speed advantage, and their disdain for AMD ever catching up to them. As Intel and Microsoft start issuing security patches, this will impact performance.

If AMD can offer the 3200G with four cores/eight threads and a 1050ti equivalent graphic performance for a hundred bucks, that's it for lower tier gaming and business computers.

The real fight as always is in the mid range and professional cards, Nvidia has three hundred thousand excess ten series chips that they need to sell off to gullible gamers, and their new RTX series was probably aimed at the mining sector, now for all practical purposes defunct, since I doubt the majority of us will earmark twelve hundred bucks for a technological feature that while beautiful will be dead slow and likely need a three year development cycle to introduce it to the mainstream.

I just bought two 2700/x470 sets as a birthday present for my brother and one for myself at twenty percent discount, so AMD isn't resting on their laurels, but pushing their latest and greatest to as much an audience as it can, though consumers should be aware that in about nine months they'll have the three thousand series at seven nanometres, whereas Intel is scrambling to figure out to get any decent yields on their ten nanometre manufacturing process, without pricing the chips skyhigh, beyond their usual practice of premium.

AMD and Intel appear to have reached a strategic understanding to destroy nVidia, by slowly squeezing them out of all their market segments. And then, they'll probably turn on one another, Intel now acquiring something that they lacked, a credible graphics division.

To be fair, I bought a 1060/6gb since it was the most bang for buck, but in an ITX form as I expect to sideline it to an always on MATX next year.

[Ishan]

It would be interesting to see RTX release benchmarks and how Intel plans to enter the GPU marker as well. AMD after paying more attention in the CPU Ryzen development might step into GPU in a more aggressive manner. Ultimately, all of this might push the ridiculous Nvidia prices down i think.

[King Athelstan]

So we must hope. I'm hoping for a Ryzen-style AMD GPU comeback, as the more competition there is around the better it is for consumers

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

It would be interesting to see RTX release benchmarks and how Intel plans to enter the GPU marker as well. AMD after paying more attention in the CPU Ryzen development might step into GPU in a more aggressive manner. Ultimately, all of this might push the ridiculous Nvidia prices down i think.

So we must hope. I'm hoping for a Ryzen-style AMD GPU comeback, as the more competition there is around the better it is for consumers

Absolutely. The prices are surreal right now. 1300$ for a 2080ti ? I mean come on it's a gaming card, top class but style a gaming one.
A 2070gtx would be more than enough even for the hardcore gamer but still pricey. I'm usually into (ti) models so I'm waiting for price drops and then who know ? we'll see.

[King Athelstan]

The current price of the 2080ti is more than I spent on my computer altogether, and I've got an i7 4790 and a gtx 1070!

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

The current price of the 2080ti is more than I spent on my computer altogether, and I've got an i7 4790 and a gtx 1070!

Υeah it's hilarious, not unexpected though. There is no competition in GPUs, so the leading company has no pressure and monopolizes the market.

[King Athelstan]

I do wonder how it would be like if AMD were in the same position as nVidia is. I wouldn't be that surprised if they went the same route

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

I do wonder how it would be like if AMD were in the same position as nVidia is. I wouldn't be that surprised if they went the same route

Definitely the same route.This is how big money makers work and progress.

[Condottiere 40K]

Leadership matters.

As I recall, one of the demands for a merger or takeover by Intel was that Jensen becomes Chief Executive Officer of the combined corporation, or nVidia would have been their graphics division by now.

It's unlikely that AMD would rip off customers or abuse their AiB partners to the extent that Jensen dictates, which appears to go beyond the usual need or pursuit of maximizing shareholder value. AMD appears to view ATI more as added value, hence why priority goes to the CPU division.

To give Jensen credit, he did move nVidia in more profitable directions after Intel tried to kill them off when they felt that they were being ripped off.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Leadership matters.

As I recall, one of the demands for a merger or takeover by Intel was that Jensen becomes Chief Executive Officer of the combined corporation, or nVidia would have been their graphics division by now.

Yep. Correct. NVIDIA was always a very aggressive company. Hence the results.

It's unlikely that AMD would rip off customers or abuse their AiB partners to the extent that Jensen dictates, which appears to go beyond the usual need or pursuit of maximizing shareholder value. AMD appears to view ATI more as added value, hence why priority goes to the CPU division.

To give Jensen credit, he did move nVidia in more profitable directions after Intel tried to kill them off when they felt that they were being ripped off.

Rebrands and false advertisement (Bulldozer fiasco) don't count as rip offs ?
We can't really say that AMD would have been better, since every company's main goal is the profit. Open market isn't a church, you,know that, it's a battlefield.

[Condottiere 40K]

The previous CPU architecture was a disappointment, not an issue that AMD ever tried to hide: you pretty much know what you got what when you bought into that ecosystem, a cheap and cheerful chip with guaranteed compatibility, unlike Intel's indecisive socket merry go round.

AMD also never forced anyone to buy a million chips and eat the loss, which Jensen is doing with his current overstock of ten series chips; if out don't think it will be at a loss, think what the current price will be as the mining cards come home to roost, and price expectations of older generation cards enter a death spiral, especially in light of the performance expectations of the twenty series.

Rumour has it that like Intel, nVidia decided to preempt AMD with an unprepared chip series before AMD presented their new seven nanometre graphic chips, and since the are supposed to upgrade their own line up to seven nanometres next year, a money grab from the more gullible from their fans.

It may be that AMD does have a Christmas surprise, Playstation Five.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

It may be that AMD does have a Christmas surprise, Playstation Five.

That would be disastrous for my wallet though, I just upgraded from PS4 to PS4 Pro.
Talking about aggressive companies, here you are Sony.