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Thread: Protest outside 10 Downing demand release of civil rights activist Tommy Robinson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    Gag orders on third parties have never been used in America, it’s illegal to put a gag order on third parties (in this case Robinson) or the Press in America due to the first amendment. Tommy would have walked free in America, and I would suggest a step towards American freedom if speech laws would be a positive thing for Britain.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_order#United_States
    American freedoms? Like the freedom to shoot children in school?

    I quite like the British system of rights and freedoms thanks.

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    Interesting burn.
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    Is this what you call ‘freedom’?

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...yrics-14543694
    A teenager who posted rap lyrics on Instagram to pay tribute to a Liverpool boy who died in a road accident was found guilty of sending an offensive message.

    Sefton Magistrates heard that Chelsea Russell, 19, of Stonedale Crescent in Croxteth , posted the lyrics on her Instagram account to pay tribute to Frankie Murphy.
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    District Judge Jack McGarva said: “There is no place in civil society for language like that. Everyone with an Instagram account could view this content. The lyrics also encourage killing and robbing, so are grossly offensive.”

    He ordered Russell to comply with a curfew order restricting her movements between 8pm and 8am for 8 weeks.

    She was ordered to wear an electronic tag on her ankle during this period of time. Russell was also ordered to pay £500 toward costs and a £85 surcharge.


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  4. #244

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    What exactly is your problem with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    American freedoms? Like the freedom to shoot children in school?
    What makes that a "freedom"?

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    Looks like, having exhausted the argument that Tommy Robinson hasn't committed a crime, that his supporters are hooligans, we are now at the death stage of your standard alt-right thread... posting random irrelevant things, ranting about how the world has turned against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Looks like, having exhausted the argument that Tommy Robinson hasn't committed a crime, that his supporters are hooligans, we are now at the death stage of your standard alt-right thread... posting random irrelevant things, ranting about how the world has turned against them.
    To be honest this whole thing was dead when people couldn't understand that English law guarantees everyone to a fair trial, even muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    To be honest this whole thing was dead when people couldn't understand that English law guarantees everyone to a fair trial, even muslims.
    That's basically the thread, yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    American freedoms? Like the freedom to shoot children in school?

    I quite like the British system of rights and freedoms thanks.
    Freedom of speech and expression is clearly lacking, not sure what do school shootings in US have anything to do with this thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    To be honest this whole thing was dead when people couldn't understand that English law guarantees everyone to a fair trial, even muslims.

    Right of fair trial doesn't imply bans on talking about trials.
    Last edited by Heathen Hammer; June 14, 2018 at 01:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Right of fair trial doesn't imply bans on talking about trials.
    Short-term temporary ban that would've lasted a few days. Specificity matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Freedom of speech and expression is clearly lacking, not sure what do school shootings in US have anything to do with this thread.

    Right of fair trial doesn't imply bans on talking about trials.
    British law allows for a judge to impose reporting restrictions untill a trial is over. This applies to many trials, Robinson broke the law. This is as simple as that.

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    Default Re: Protest outside 10 Downing demand release of civil rights activist Tommy Robinson

    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    British law allows for a judge to impose reporting restrictions untill a trial is over. This applies to many trials, Robinson broke the law. This is as simple as that.
    No. It's not law, it's a deeply planted leftist conspiracy. So deep that it was influencing fair trial laws decades ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    American freedoms? Like the freedom to shoot children in school?

    I quite like the British system of rights and freedoms thanks.
    Right to get nap for wrongthink or for having a butter knife in your pocket, more like it.

    Modern UK has fallen hard way, with the government even more corrupted and less caring than the American GOP.

    The Queen needs to step up and clean the house. Or perhaps a king will.

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    American freedoms? Like the freedom to shoot children in school?
    Has literally nothing to do with this discussion. 0/10

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    Apparently Tommy is getting his ass beaten in ing prison.

    So much for British law and order. Apparently, if you protest, you are gonna get jailed and then get violently beaten up, because that's fair and square.

    The people who defend this right now would cry bloody murder if the same happen to some muslim/jew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    British law allows for a judge to impose reporting restrictions untill a trial is over. This applies to many trials, Robinson broke the law. This is as simple as that.
    So imagine if US law was like that and some non-white BBC/Guardian journalist who reported on Manafort case was jailed for that in US and sent to jail where 75% of inmates are members of Aryan Brotherhood...
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    Apparently Tommy is getting his ass beaten in ing prison.

    So much for British law and order. Apparently, if you protest, you are gonna get jailed and then get violently beaten up, because that's fair and square.

    The people who defend this right now would cry bloody murder if the same happen to some muslim/jew.
    It was a death sentence from the beginning, knowing that a civil rights activist who criticizes jihadists would be a target in British prison, who are heavily populated by jihadists.
    If UK had real rule of law that wouldn't happen and judge himself would end up in a clink for literally endangering someone's life over a legal technicality.
    Last edited by Heathen Hammer; June 14, 2018 at 10:46 AM.

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    Tommy Robinson has shown the utter incompetence and corruption of both British government and state institutions. For this he will pay the ultimate price.

    "Do not punish who murdered, punish whom told us there was murder".

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    Apparently Tommy is getting his ass beaten in ing prison.

    So much for British law and order. Apparently, if you protest, you are gonna get jailed and then get violently beaten up, because that's fair and square.

    The people who defend this right now would cry bloody murder if the same happen to some muslim/jew.
    I don't remember ever seeing those on the right wing ever express so much concern for the treatment of an inmate. Joe Arpaio was/is celebrated by the right in the US for abusing and humiliating inmates.
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    Default Re: Protest outside 10 Downing demand release of civil rights activist Tommy Robinson

    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    British law allows for a judge to impose reporting restrictions untill a trial is over. This applies to many trials, Robinson broke the law. This is as simple as that.
    We have estabilished that he broke the law, as did Marl Meecham as did the Liverpool girl.

    We have also estabilished thst these anti-free speech laws are unjust/not fit for purpose in 2018, in the ‘internet age’.
    http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/07/...rial-uk-crisis
    The implementation of the Contempt of Court Act 1981 dispensed with any need for jurors to be sequestered," he said. "But in 2013 I do not feel that there are sufficient safeguards to ensure the right to a fair trial in light of the advances in technology.

    "It is now inevitable that research will involve going onto Google and downloading material which one might consider helpful in arriving at a decision," Anwar continued. "The concern is that if a juror goes home and secretly downloads material to carry out research there is no way of challenging this information. There is simply a lot of bad information on the internet.

    "Parliament should consider whether legislation should be extended to advise jurors of the serious criminal sanctions if they were to breach their oath and carry out internet research, particularly focusing on the jury accessing social media in any form during the duration of a trial."

    Juries are told at the beginning of their service that they must not access any information about the proceedings on the internet and should ignore any previous press or media coverage. However, the traditional focus of Contempt of Court law rested on the responsibility of publishers not to put information into the public domain which was likely to cause a substantial risk of serious prejudice to a trial, and the ability of the law to take action against those that did. Today it is struggling to contend with jurors having the tools to actively seek out information from a vast library of material.

    And that material can build a much more colourful picture than some careless details in a news report; Facebook fallouts, Twitter opinions and Google gossip can all knit together to build a strong picture of character, but not of evidence. As long as the juror says nothing and the judge is unaware, a trial will carry on regardless of a juror's nightly investigations, creating a strong argument that the administration of justice has become fundamentally flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gäiten View Post
    Tommy Robinson has shown the utter incompetence and corruption of both British government and state institutions. For this he will pay the ultimate price.

    "Do not punish who murdered, punish whom told us there was murder".
    so, what happend to innocent until proven guilty? you wanna lynch em? robinson did nothing to help in this case. he may even compromise it. wouldnt that be a hoot, the accused get free because the trial was compromised? he saw a opportunity to selfishly push his agenda, he broke the law, he will be held responsible.

    if you like short trials with sure outcomes, look no further than saudi-arabia.

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