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    Guys, Could post the historical composition of the Roman armies in every era from republic to Empire? because i want to play in maximum historical accurace.

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    Had this question before, maybe these threads are useful?

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...perial-reforms

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?753771

    I always make sure to have plenty of auxiliaries in any era (but I am biased as I made them!) Usualy 10 legion cohorts and rest a mix of cav, ranged, spear auxiliaries as I see fit. In Polybian/Camillan I go with 5 hastati, 5 pricipes, and 4 trarii and rest cav, ranged, roarii etc. Make sure to include about half of those as socii versions, usually 3 roman hastati, 2 socii hastati for example.

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    Manipular legion

    1 general
    3 hastati & 2 allied hastati as the front line
    3 principles & 2 allied principles as the second line
    2 triarii and & 1 allied triarii as 3rd line
    3 velities in front skirmishing
    one of each type of the three equites

    Marian refroms

    1 general
    1 first cohort
    9 legionaries
    9 auxiliary infantry/skirmishers/cav/ballista. ( I normally go for two of each and then one spare which is dependant on the situation)

    imperial

    same as above except eagle cohort replaces first cohort
    and then imperial legionaries instead of the Marian ones

    also after the civil war if you turn your faction into an empire keep your emperor in Rome surrounded by a stack of praetorian guards

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    Thanks for all your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralFoda-se View Post
    Thanks for all your help!
    Other dedicated Roman users will likely give you more ideas.

    @Ivan for sure or @Don_Diego and @Dardo.

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    Here's my subjugation socii method. After ~dozen polybian eras in rome1&2, I guess I'm more aiming for that extra flavor than best bang for the buck or efficiency
    I can't really recommend it, since it's really pain to get Veneti to build both horse pens ( lvl3! ) and barracks in that 3 plot town.. I had to raze it and then let it rebel, reloading dozen times until I saw 'em being constructed. Also don't try it without that moar levy mod; https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfil.../?id=339408767 But well, now I'm good for next 4-500 turns My legions are pretty standard:

    1 General
    2 Equites ( if I have extra equites opimi Italici or equites opimi Veneti, I sometimes replace one with those for extra variation. One also later got elephants here. )
    3 Triarii
    5 Principes
    5 Hastati
    2 Leves ( when they phase out I use Greek akonstai or velites Italici until they get replaced by velites @ time of Hannibal )
    1 Psiloi toxotai and 1 psiloi sphendonetai ( yeah I use greeks for my missile contingent early on. I remember reading that Hiero of Syracuse supplied romans with slingers and archers during 1st Punic war. These get eventually replaced by Cretans and Balearics ~when I hit Iberia ). Very early on had rorarii. 3rd legion got Sardinian and Corsican missiles, 4th got Veneti.


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    Ala Socii Magna Graeciae: This is quite different from my other alae since it has 4 hoplite units. Those non-AoR Tarantine White Shields have pike strength units ( bug?) making it capable to use both legionary formation and semi-decent phalanx when I use it as my allies ( I try stick to historic expansion with romans usually. In my current campaign I have to go liberate Pergamon and Cyrene, so these guys while campaigning alone double up as my Greek allies using phalanx ).

    1 General
    Equites: 1 Tarantine & 1 Syracusan citizen cavalry. 1 Sicilian hippakonstai
    Triarii: 2 Tarantine White shields, 1 Syracusan and 1 Tarantine hoplites
    Principes: 1 thorakitai, 2 Syracusan thorakitai, 1 Apulii extraordinarii
    Hastati: 2 Sicilian footmen, 2 Syracusan marines ( used to have Syracusan samniciti here too, but they've lost their pila somewhere along the road ).
    Velites: at start none, I use Mamertines here. They phase out after 1st Punic war and get replaced by akonstai, peltasts or thureophoroi.
    Missile: 1 Sicilian slingers + 1 gastraphetes

    Ala Socii Samniciti: These are almost the standard socii ala.

    1 General
    Equites: 2 socii equites, 1 socii equites extraordinarii
    Triarii: bit low on spear: 1 pedites extraordinarii, 1 Lucanian hoplites
    Principes: 4 principes Samniciti, 1 Apulii extraordinarii
    Hastati: 3 Samniciti, 2 Bruttian infantry
    Velites: 2 Lucanian light infantry
    Missile: 2 funditores Italici

    Ala Socii Venetici: Most painful to recruit, they double up as my barbarian allies too, looks like they'll be dividing up the Massalian empire soon.

    1 General
    Equites: 1 equites opimi Veneti, 1 Veneti equites, 1 exploratores Veneti
    Triarii: 2 hastati Veneti ( 300 strong each )
    Principes: 4 Veneti securiferi ( 300 strong )
    Hastati: 5 pedites Veneti
    Velites: 2 velites Veneti
    Missile: 1 funditores Veneti, 2 sagittarii Veneti

    Ala Socii Italici: This is bit spear happy, I actually once used it in phalanx formation against invading Massalian elite hoplites ( didn't have polybian reforms yet so these we're the better option )

    1 General
    Equites: 1 equites opimi Italici, 2 equites Italici
    Triarii: 3 Etruscan hoplites, later became 1 of each; Etruscan, Campanian and Veneti hoplites
    Principes: 2 hastati opimi Italici, 2 Taurisci securiferi ( 300 strong ) -yea.. spears and axes as principes, now that's barbaric!
    Hastati: 5 ensiferi Italici
    Velites: 2 velites Italici
    Missile: 2 funditores Italici
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    Soccii Venetici and Soccii Samniciti are 2 of my favorites..

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    What y'all do about Marian and Augustan era army composition?

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    1 General, 9 Cohots, 1 First Cohort, 9 auxiliary (spears, swords, bowmen, cav, siege equipment).

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    Just for your historical accuracy, it's "socius, socii", non "soccii" Other than that, I'll copy your formations



    "With such valorous troops, I could easily become King of Italy"
    Frederick II the Great, after the Piedmontese victory at the Battle of the Assietta (1747)

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    Wonder where I picked up the second "C", seeing singular form it makes so much sense now. Been going too long without correction ability lately it seems. Oh well..

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