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    Quote Originally Posted by Sogdog View Post
    Only if they are her partner. Then I recommend a counselor of some sort. The man must bare in mind that he doesn't know what she is going through and can offer advice and emotional support.
    Why does the partner have an equal say? Do they carry the child half of the pregnancy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sogdog View Post
    You have no say in it at all. If she confides in you then you can offer advice on where she might get it done legally, like here in South Africa. Her choice in the end. A female neighbour would only have any input if she has being in the same situation. By input I mean advice and emotional support only. Again it is the pregnant female choice.
    So again, if she is going to have an illegal abortion, that’s none of my business?
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    So again, if she is going to have an illegal abortion, that’s none of my business?
    As non sequitur as that is, are you law enforcement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Why does the partner have an equal say? Do they carry the child half of the pregnancy?
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    So, you're admitting that it is a child and so logically if it is killed by abortion that is murder? You said it not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    PointOfViewGun,

    So, you're admitting that it is a child and so logically if it is killed by abortion that is murder? You said it not me.
    Sigh... It's a figure of speech. I could have referred to a corpse as a child as well. Would that mean the corpse is alive? No. You really shouldn't have to rely on such wordplays. It's quite petty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ep1c_fail View Post
    You indirectly challenged believers to explain a variety of paraphrased biblical passages. Why would you argue on the basis of faith when you don't care about faith based philosophies?
    I am not arguing faith based principles just showing that religion is not in any position to argue about the morality of anything, hence it should stay out of the abortion debate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Not even then. Nothing moves forward without the patient's signature. Nothing stops without the patient's say-so. The patient and her partner may discuss options even as she would with the doctor and the specialists. But the decision is made and signed off on by the patient. Unless the patient is otherwise legally or medically unable to make the decision.

    What people need to understand is that in the end there is nothing too medically unique about abortion compared to the rest of the medical decision making ethics and how things are handled. The doctors will go to the patient for the decision. They will make recommendations to the patient for the decision. They will not go to the partner and they will not go to the family. They will go to the patient.

    All this hubbub about abortion? So what. The doctor will go to the patient for the decision. The family? The husband? White noise. The patient is the signal.
    I completely agree with you. I mention the partner as I assume they have an interest in the well being of the woman involved in making the decision. Ultimately the decision rests on her shoulders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    So again, if she is going to have an illegal abortion, that’s none of my business?

    Absolutely. It's not her fault your country's laws are archaic and patriarchal. I would question how you came to find out she was having an abortion in the first place? Are you contravening privacy laws?
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    Sogdog, please use the button on the bottom right of each post to group posts together in a single reply or you can respond to one and then copy in the next response into the existing one by editing it.
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    Sure. Apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Sigh... It's a figure of speech. I could have referred to a corpse as a child as well. Would that mean the corpse is alive? No. You really shouldn't have to rely on such wordplays. It's quite petty.
    PointOfViewGun,

    How was it a figure of speech? A baby in the womb is as a matter of fact a child. Just out of interest have you ever heard anyone say with joy, we're expecting a fetus, a bundle of cells? Correct me if I'm wrong but the usual expression is, we're expecting a baby.

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    PointOfViewGun,

    How was it a figure of speech? A baby in the womb is as a matter of fact a child. Just out of interest have you ever heard anyone say with joy, we're expecting a fetus, a bundle of cells? Correct me if I'm wrong but the usual expression is, we're expecting a baby.
    Well, I can play this petty game too. You did it there as well. You told me that people say they expect a baby, not that they have a baby. That goes against your position too... Nonetheless, that is just petty wordplay. They're merely figures of speech that we use in our daily lives. They have no place in a scientific discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Well, I can play this petty game too. You did it there as well. You told me that people say they expect a baby, not that they have a baby. That goes against your position too... Nonetheless, that is just petty wordplay. They're merely figures of speech that we use in our daily lives. They have no place in a scientific discussion.
    PointOfViewGun,

    When they say we're having a baby that confirms that there is a baby inside the mother. These are not figures of speech at all. These are demonstrative words telling people that a newborn is on the way. Figures of speech come down to the cruder type who use the expressions like, " a bun in the oven," or " up the spout," or other crudities like that.

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