So.. what am I doing wrong?

**xmonchox** · March 19, 2018, 07:41 PM

Im currently using Hoplites with the last patch... and i don't know if is a problem now or if it comes from earlier versons, but When I put my units in defensive positions such as narrow streets or bridges and activate the phalanx... the enemy charges... for a while its all Ok but then the enemy units start to running through my phalanx formation like nothing, pushing my hoplites and passing to the other side I tried leaving them defend... 1 click and even 2 click to push and the result is the same... a few moments and then the enemy start slideing pass my units...

PD: Im new here and just wanted to say... Great mod guys, thanks for all the effort

**♔Greek Strategos♔** · March 19, 2018, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by xmonchox

Im currently using Hoplites with the last patch... and i don't know if is a problem now or if it comes from earlier versons, but When I put my units in defensive positions such as narrow streets or bridges and activate the phalanx... the enemy charges... for a while its all Ok but then the enemy units start to running through my phalanx formation like nothing, pushing my hoplites and passing to the other side I tried leaving them defend... 1 click and even 2 click to push and the result is the same... a few moments and then the enemy start slideing pass my units...

PD: Im new here and just wanted to say... Great mod guys, thanks for all the effort

Welcome to theForums buddy.

Now...Are you using any other mods or submods ?
Have you checked the latest fixpack too ? be sure to grab it cause after Patch 19 we had some weird issues.

**Dresden** · March 20, 2018, 02:47 AM

I wonder if its the location and terrain somehow. I remember hoplites having this problem in general a long time ago but havent seen it in a normal situation recently

**Senktris** · March 20, 2018, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Dresden

I wonder if its the location and terrain somehow. I remember hoplites having this problem in general a long time ago but havent seen it in a normal situation recently

This.

I'm pretty sure that I've had similiar problems like the OP in every Total War game I have played - and only in cities. (I'm looking at you, Medieval 2!)

**Dardo21** · March 20, 2018, 07:05 AM

I had the same issue with my phalangites yday when I put them on a bridge to hold the line, eventually they blobbed to the side and got surrounded, I was barely able to prevent them from being destroyed, I think the units are just not able to cope well with artificial boundaries like the edge of a bridge or the invisible wall next to houses.

**crypteque** · March 20, 2018, 08:27 AM

This happened to me as well. I'm not using any other mods.
I had hoplites in phalanx defending an entrance in a fort battle and my enemy had spearman with shieldwall ability. The spearman would push my hoplites little by little until they broke a hole and just forced their way through.

I think this is because of how phalanx/shieldwall pushes the enemy away but the enemy who got pushed away doesn't come back to its original position without an order, and how a unit in formation will always try to precisely face its center towards the target's center. So a phalanx coming in at an angle will force one wing of the unit through the enemy lines in an effort to face the center. Obstacles or narrow paths make this happen more often since it almost surely interferes with the pathfinding.
When I am actually attacking and give an attack order this is not much of a problem, but when blocking a path that is impossible since an attack order will cause the unit to turn around and mess up the defense.