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    Modern UK is pretty much as "democratic" as Putin's Russia, only difference being a choice between different elitist shills who will stomp the individual freedoms and can throw anyone in jail under an extremely vague definition of "hate speech". UK doesn't have freedom of speech, it doesn't have freedom of self-defense, its government is generally inept at protecting its people and is keen on oppressing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    Yeah because labelling criticism of Islam and Muslim behaviour as "racist" and blocking the critics worked so well for the UK, right?


    I agree @ Dante, the Tories have an amazingly authoritarian streak, even more so than other "Western" conservative parties (especially compared to the GOP). This is really worrying, but the problem is that Labour isn't really better from what I've heard, plus they have all this Marxist and (anti-native) identity politics going on.
    I think it's high time Britain had a proper constitution. The argument against such a move has become pretty hollow in light of all the political scandals of recent times.
    Pakistanis and Bangladeshis whom Robinson harrasses are races . I have never seen reports of EDL people going Saudi bashing.The far right is busted in the UK, I suppose thats why we are inflicted with the massive amount of greifing from the OP.

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    It was a simple direct question:
    "Are you claiming Robinson is a terrorist because his "words inspire terrorism"?"
    Yes or No, mongrel?
    Why the straw man, I described the man perfectly, before and after your crap question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Pakistanis and Bangladeshis whom Robinson harrasses are races
    They're modern nationalities, actually. You're conflating Bengalis with Bangladeshis. As for the Pakistanis, it is a new country composed of different races. Pak-stan means:

    The name of the country was coined in 1933 as Pakstan by Choudhry Rahmat Ali, a Pakistan Movement activist, who published it in his pamphlet Now or Never,[48] using it as an acronym ("thirty million Muslim brethren who live in PAKSTAN") referring to the names of the five northern regions of the British Raj: Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan.[49][50][51] The letter i was incorporated to ease pronunciation.[52]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post
    They're modern nationalities, actually. You're conflating Bengalis with Bangladeshis. As for the Pakistanis, it is a new country composed of different races. Pak-stan means:
    They are races as defined in UK law for purposes of law enforcement. Any other definition is irrelevent, pointless and, for the purpose of this discussion, off-topic.
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    Hmmm, so no-one's allowed to confront people of a particular race now, is that it? He may be challenging them on their beliefs chap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    They are races as defined in UK law for purposes of enforcement. Any other definition is irrelevent, pointless and, for the purpose of this discussion, off-topic.
    It just shows the arbitrariness and absurdity of the very concept of race, doesn't it? Still, it is incoherent to deny the existence of races in one breath, and in the next list several populations as individual races. The British government must stop peddling quack science, I say!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Legend View Post
    It just shows the arbitrariness and absurdity of the very concept of race, doesn't it? Still, it is incoherent to deny the existence of races in one breath, and in the next list several populations as individual races. The British government must stop peddling quack science, I say!


    No it doesn't it shows that the Crown will protect Pakistanis and Bangladeshis from harrasment by Nazis.The term is obviously reflects the oft -used social construct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    Hmmm, so no-one's allowed to confront people of a particular race now, is that it? He may be challenging them on their beliefs chap.
    With fists, knives and firebombs absolutely not.

    Anders Breivik was an EDL member, he 'confronted' some socialist kids in order to acheive the political goals he shared with Robinson. Wouldn't want a repeat of that.

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    stomp the individual freedoms .

    I don't see you campaigning to see Anjem Choudhary freed, somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    Why shouldn't he. 84% of grooming gangs are Muslim men
    So, it's OK to campaign against white people because of their high prevalence in raping babies as mongrel suggested? For some reason, you skipped that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    Tommy Robinson is a thug who wouldn't be allowed to set foot in the UK because of his criminal record if he weren't from here.
    Are you people done talking about Tommy Robinson? Can you provide proof of him being a "thug" or a "racist" or a "fraud" or any of these things? What exactly is everyone's beef with the guy?


    But he is a saint compared to evil scumbag Lauren Southern.
    Lol. I've examined a lot of her content. Doesn't seem like a Nazi to me. But maybe you people just don't know what the word means.


    Don't be fooled by her glamorous exterior, she's one of the worst neo-Nazis operating in Europe (despite not even being from here). She once took part in an attempt to disrupt Medicin Sans Frontier's efforts to rescue drowning migrants off the coast of Libya. Fortunately she and her motley crew of hate-pirates couldn't run a bath let alone a naval assault mission and failed in their mission despite their best efforts, but she was in essence trying to kill innocent men, women and children. We already have one Katy Hopkins, we don't need another even worse one.
    According to their mission statement, they didn't want to prevent people from being rescued. They wanted to help bring those people back to Libya. Which, if they're to be believed, is the normal thing to do. MsF and the other clubs of rich white people LARPing as rescue teams are not exactly popular with the Libyan coast guard, or any other law enforcement, because their activities help the business of the human traffickers, and encourages the irresponsible behaviour of the migrants (whose "innocence" you somehow seem to be taking for granted. Have you checked their passports or records?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    Are you people done talking about Tommy Robinson? Can you provide proof of him being a "thug" or a "racist" or a "fraud" or any of these things? What exactly is everyone's beef with the guy?
    Copperknickers II said (and you quoted him) that he's a "thug who wouldn't be allowed to set foot in the UK because of his criminal record if he weren't from here." He didn't call him a racist.

    There are reports of violence ...
    THE leader of the English Defence League is facing a possible jail sentence after being convicted of assault in Blackburn. Stephen Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, launched a verbal attack on a fellow member of the far-right group before headbutting his victim, Preston Magistrates' Court heard. - Lancashire Evening Telegraph
    ... and fraud ...

    Former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, has been jailed for 18 months for mortgage fraud.
    Robinson, 31, from Bedfordshire, who stood down from the EDL last year, was sentenced at St Albans Crown Court after pleading guilty last November.
    The fraud amounted to £160,000 over a period of six months - BBC News
    In support of Copperknickers II's argument that 'he wouldn't be allowed to set foot in the UK because of his criminal record if her weren't from here', he was reportedly convicted of an offence relating to an attempt to enter United States with a passport that wasn't his own. Sentencing him, the judge said:-

    I am going to sentence you under the name of Stephen Lennon although I suspect that is not actually your true name, in the sense that it is not the name that appears on your passport.

    "What I have to deal with you for is clear enough. You knew perfectly well that you were not welcome in the United States.

    "You knew that because you tried before and you had not got in, and you knew the reason for that - because, rightly or wrongly, the US authorities do not welcome people in their country who have convictions of the kind that you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    So, it's OK to campaign against white people because of their high prevalence in raping babies as mongrel suggested? For some reason, you skipped that question.

    'Beyond evil’ paedophile gang who raped babies and toddlers and streamed their vile crimes on the internet to sex abusers around the world are jailed for 78 years
    Britain is a majority white country, why wouldnt there be a high prevalence. The issue here is a minority of the population doing the majority of a particular crime.

    You have no evidence of a correlation between white people and paedophilia, one case doesnt represent a wider trend.
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    For some people here, Winston Churchill must have been a far right extremist, too.

    Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men’s passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness. In a moment the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside. The more emotional Pathans are powerless to resist. All rational considerations are forgotten. Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis—as danger*ous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such. While the more generous spirits among the tribesmen become convulsed in an ecstasy of religious blood*thirstiness, poorer and more material souls derive additional impulses from the influence of others, the hopes of plunder and the joy of fighting. Thus whole nations are roused to arms. Thus the Turks repel their enemies, the Arabs of the Soudan break the British squares, and the rising on the Indian frontier spreads far and wide. In each case civilisation is confronted with militant Mahommedanism. The forces of progress clash with those of reaction. The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed.
    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apa*thy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    Britain is a majority white country, why wouldnt there be a high prevalence. The issue here is a minority of the population doing the majority of a particular crime.
    You have no evidence of a correlation between white people and paedophilia, one case doesnt represent a wider trend.
    Sigh... What an ignorant way to deflect from having one's own double standards exposed... You have no correlation between Muslim men and pedophilia either. Yet, that doesn't stop you from making claims. Sadly, we're not basing anything on only one case. There is awful lot of cases if you start looking for them online. The worst part is that most don't go reported to the authorities as a lot of them are done by people that the victim knows. If few members of a group of people that number in about 1.6 billion can be easily generalized, why can't we do the same for white people?
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    So if 5% of the population represent 84% of grooming, that isnt a correlation? This is laughable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinarius View Post
    For some people here, Winston Churchill must have been a far right extremist, too.
    Churchill was an Edwardian imperialist: of course he'd be viewed as a "far right extremist" if he were a contemporary figure. Notwithstanding, most people are able to view historical characters within the context of their eras.



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    Saying that inspiring terrorism yet not actually calling for violent action is incredibly subjective, that way I could go out and attack a hispanic person, making Donald Trump a terrorrist. It just doesnt work like that.

    Labelling views that aren't identical to your own as literal domestic terrorism is incredibly regressive.
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    So if 5% of the population represent 84% of grooming, that isnt a correlation? This is laughable
    Well, they don't represent 84%, but, it doesn't justify representation of 1.6 billion people. Overwhelming majority of that 5% doesn't represent any percentage at all. You're trying to lie through statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setekh View Post
    Well, they don't represent 84%, but, it doesn't justify representation of 1.6 billion people. Overwhelming majority of that 5% doesn't represent any percentage at all. You're trying to lie through statistics.
    It's quite simple: the tiny minority of Muslims who commit a specific type of sexual abuse make up a larger proportion of British Muslims than the tiny minority of White Brits who commit that same specific crime pro rata to the total population of White Brits. This means that all Muslims are bad, even though the vast majority have done nothing wrong, and sexual abuse is only bad when it's committed by Muslims because gang grooming is the only type of rape which actually harms anyone. This leads to the obvious conclusion that we must stand up against the tyranny of banning racist Canadians from our shores because they called Allah gay. All clear now, Setekh?

    On a serious note, does anyone in this thread actually dispute the fact that British Muslims are responsible for most of the UK's incidences of adult men participating in predatory gang grooming of underage girls? It's a serious problem and it's very tied to the poor relations between British South Asian Muslims and White Brits. It has now been brought to national attention and the police are tackling it with the seriousness it deserves, but that was not always true and that definitely needs to be highlighted. I think everyone is on the same page with that fact. The reason it becomes a point of contention is not its truth value, it's all the knee-jerking, tunnel vision and non-sequitur reactions that follow it. Let me make this very clear:

    1. The British gang grooming problem is just one part of a general epidemic of sexual abuse scandals which have erupted in the UK in the last 10 years. Some of them have been relatively minor such as the sexual harassment scandal in Westminster, but many others such as the celebrity paedophile scandal (almost exclusively white male Brits) has involved sexual abuse that is just as bad as the worst of the gang grooming cases, with violent rape of the most vulnerable people imaginable. Gang grooming is just one part of the wider serious sexual abuse/paedophilia problem in the UK which involves perpetrators of all races. It includes many subsets which are just as bad as gang grooming, such as abuse for the online child porn industry, whose perpetrators are not only mostly White Brits, but disproportionately White Brits. We must deal with these problems in an appropriate way and if that means singling out certain nationalities/ethnicities during police investigation then so be it. But if you think gang grooming denotes a generalised argument against the presence of Muslims in this country, your opinion is highly hypocritical if you don't also think any group which commits any specific crime at a disproportionately high rate has a serious cultural issue (which includes you personally if you are a member of that group). Are you responsible for White British paedophilia because you are White and British? No? Then how is it legitimate to attack Muslims as a group because they share a religion with small groups of criminals?

    2. (a) There were numerous failings from both police and local communities on display in the grooming cases in Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, etc. Racism and class prejudice on the part of White Brits played a large role in these failures - white girls who hung around with Asians were seen as race traitors who deserved everything they got. Lower class vulnerable girls were seen as trashy and chavvy and thus it was assumed that they were consensual prostitutes rather than victims of abuse, and so they were not listened to when they complained to police. There was also a problem of political correctness whereby police felt unwilling to identify the suspects by their ethnicity or religion, or even unwilling to investigate at all due to fear of being labelled racist.

    (b) This latter point was highlighted in the official enquiry into Rotherham, and has been incorporated into the guidelines for improvement within English police forces. The fact that we are seeing more and more of these cases coming to light is a direct result of changing attitudes within the police force, as they have now been empowered to investigate these reports as a problem within the Asian community. The problem has been identified and justice is being served, nobody is ignoring the problem anymore.

    (c)The problems in the social care system however which is responsible for protecting girls in the first place, are a little less close to resolution. I've worked in this field and seen it first hand, and trust me gang grooming by Asians is a drop in the ocean when it comes to problems in the social care system, the whole thing needs a total overhaul. If you got rid of all Muslims in the country tomorrow it would not come close to preventing sexual abuse of vulnerable girls in this country, anyone who focuses on that as a genuine solution needs a serious reality check. The problems are mainly caused by the very Tories you keep voting for with a deluded idea that you are 'defending Britain' when actually you're making Brits' lives much worse, by rubber-stamping austerity politics and thus stripping away protections for those you claim to want to protect.

    3. Not everyone involved in these crimes were Pakistani, or Muslim. There were non-Muslims involved and there were non-South Asian Muslims involved too. But the majority were South Asian Muslims, and that is a cultural issue which goes beyond the level of isolated invidual cases. Nevertheless, as the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in grooming gangs, anger directed at Muslims in general is illegitimate and illogical, and thus Islamophobic/bigoted. It's not your fault as a White European/North American that some other guy with the same skin colour as you rapes someone and you wouldn't accept to bear the brunt of collective punishment for others' actions. So why do you think it's okay to blame Muslims as a group for crimes which the vast majority were not involved in and find just as despicable as you do?
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    Doesn't change the fact that the Muslim community isn't doing enough to stop this kind of behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    It's really quite simple: the tiny minority of Muslims who commit a very specific type of sexual abuse constitute a larger proportion of British Muslims than the tiny minority of White Brits who commit that same type of specific crime pro rata to the total population of White Brits. This essentially means that all Muslims are bad even though the vast majority have done nothing wrong, and sexual abuse is only bad when it's committed by Muslims because gang grooming is the only type of rape which actually harms women. This leads us to the obvious conclusion that we therefore have to stand up against the tyranny of the government in banning racist Canadians from our shores becaused they called Allah gay. All clear now, Setekh?
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    Doesn't change the fact that the Muslim community isn't doing enough to stop this kind of behaviour.
    Based on what?
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