Britain Demands Russia Answer For Poisoning Spy

[removeduser_487563287433]

The list of mental nonsense you wouldn't be surprised by is extensive.

[Copperknickers II]

i wouldnt be surprised if the British intelligence poisoned this turncoat themselves, botched it up by poisoning bystanders and tried to frame Russia for it; after all, they have the most to gain from this public furore.

Specifically... ? In what universe is it a good idea to poison your own double agent? If anyone finds out it was you then you'll prevent future defections to your side, and if nobody finds out it was you, you'll still prevent future defections to your side through undermining the confidence in your own ability to keep your allies safe from the Russians. MI6 does not come out of this looking very good however you spin it. Theresa May has a good opportunity to look strong during a national crisis, but nobody in the Tory party has any interest in making May look strong, they hate her and they want rid of her ASAP. So you're essentially suggesting the weakest prime minister in living memory organised a daring false flag attack without the backing of her own party or security forces, when she has in the past been seen to totally crumble during periods of crisis. The only possible thing I can think of to back up that view is that it would strengthen her hand slightly in the Brexit negotiations if she demonstrates that Britain is the only country willing to be seen to stand up to Russia. Mind you, we are talking about the person who embarassed herself in front of all other European leaders by cosying up to Trump.

[Bethrezen]

In the universe where you can impose sanctions on the country you blame of poisoning the agent.
I'm curious, when you guys play Europa Universalis 4 or a similar game, where you need to fabricate claims, what exactly do you imagine "fabricating a claim" means? I mean, transposed in a real life situation?
If you wanted to create an embargo, intervene in a civil war or simply declare war on a country, how exactly would you proceed?

[caratacus]

This afternoon The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson specifically singled out Putin for responsibility for what happened in Salisbury.

"Our quarrel is with Putin's Kremlin," Boris Johnson says.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43429152

However, I think a lot of the language used about this incident has been extremely unwise and unsuitable in labeling the perpetrators as "The Russians" sending the UK media into a frenzy of Russia phobia and severely damaging international relations between the UK and Russia.

The words yesterday from UK Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson for "Russia to shut up and go away" sends entirely the wrong message to the people of that country and serves only to produce hostility. Many Russians have very positive attitude to the UK and language that undermines that is not welcomed and unjustified by what happened in Salisbury.

Thereasa May in this report fails to draw the distinction between "Russia" and the Russian government. I guess this is understandable given the lack of a direct link but without clarifying who these Russians are, serves to accuse all in the minds of those who are from that Country.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-4341...despicable-act

Russian spy: Veteran broadcaster fears for UK-Russia relations
Veteran Russian broadcaster Vladimir Posner has said that relations between the UK and Russia are the worst he has ever known.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-e...ssia-relations

[Vanoi]

Russia, just the innocent victim.

[Heathen Hammer]

Specifically... ? In what universe is it a good idea to poison your own double agent?

When they know too much or you suspect them to still be an informant for their former boss. That's why Berezovsky ended up committing "suicide" shortly before giving an interview, since UK intelligence doesn't want its ties to Russian elites to be discussed too openly by the former middle-men.
At the same time, why would Putin start assassinating people right before the elections? The man is a crook and an authoritarian, but he is not a CoD villain like primitive Western propaganda paints him to be to scare Western population into obeying their own authoritarian crooks like May or Merkel.

[NorseThing]

The Russian explanations have not come. However there are responses by many countries. The USA under Pres. Trump is taking the lead with diplomats being expelled with 60 expulsions.

World leaders are taking action after ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his adult daughter were allegedly poisoned by a nerve agent earlier this month. So far, 22 countries have announced the expulsion of 136 Russian diplomats, according to research analysis from Fox News.




The U.S. alone is kicking out at least 60 Russian intelligence officers. President Trump also ordered the closure of the Russian consulate in Seattle, senior administration officials said.
The news comes in the wake of the alleged attack on Skripal, 66, and his 33-year-old daughter Yulia, who remain in critical condition. They were found unconscious on a bench in a shopping mall in Salisbury on March 4.


The U.K. has pointed the finger for the alleged attack at Russia, which has strongly denied any involvement.
Read on for a look at the countries that have announced diplomatic measures against Russia.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03...poisoning.html

Read more details at the link!

[Love Mountain]

Safe to say, the response has been proportional and hardly anything major. This is good timing for the Tories, anything to help salvage the wreck that their leadership has been so far.

[Gallus]

This whole thing stinks. Why poison Skripal now? He's retired. And why like this? There are more discrete ways to murder a former spy. And besides, he used to be imprisoned in Russia. If they needed him dead why did they send him back to UK?

[Love Mountain]

I have no idea. I'm sure there are reasons we will never know. Regardless, despite what the headlines say, none of this is a particularly big loss for any country. Dialogue between Russia and he majority of the Western world has broken down years ago and the importance of having diplomats expelled only serves to emphasize the hostility between the two sides that was already there, rather than signal an additional layer of adversity.

[fkizz]

Well USSR was notorious for killing former agents after a sucessful insurgency.

There's the historical example of the Stalin purges, which took it to a new level. Modus operandi not that disconnected.

But this case in particular we may never know why it happened.

[hellheaven1987]

Well USSR was notorious for killing former agents after a sucessful insurgency.

Well the victim did stay in prison of Russia before be deported back to UK, so it is kindly weird Putin did not create "accident" for the victim during his three years in Russia prison. Regardless, if it was really done by Russia, it only shows that the assassination skill of FSB is so primitive and uncreative comparing with KGB.

[Heathen Hammer]

UK clearly had more to gain from killing him (false flag to blame Russia, especially amidst its own domestic problems) then Russia did.

[Gallus]

UK clearly had more to gain from killing him (false flag to blame Russia, especially amidst its own domestic problems) then Russia did.

Then again, it sends a message that they can't protect their double agents. It honestly doesn't look like anyone profits from this.

[Heathen Hammer]

Then again, it sends a message that they can't protect their double agents. It honestly doesn't look like anyone profits from this.

If Russia was behind it, then it makes CIA look like a bunch of clinically-retarded school boys compared to Russian intelligence agencies. I honestly doubt that is the fact, at least based on Russia's current budget as well as any coherent motivation for Putin to order such a thing week before the elections.

[Sint]

If Russia was behind it, then it makes CIA look like a bunch of clinically-retarded school boys compared to Russian intelligence agencies. I honestly doubt that is the fact, at least based on Russia's current budget as well as any coherent motivation for Putin to order such a thing week before the elections.

Putin imprisioning dissidents is hardly new of of curse he would kill them if he can, he is an ex KGB agent.Look up what they did.

[hellheaven1987]

Putin imprisioning dissidents is hardly new of of curse he would kill them if he can, he is an ex KGB agent.Look up what they did.

The problem is that last time when Russia striked they did not use such primitive assassination method.

[Heathen Hammer]

Putin imprisioning dissidents is hardly new of of curse he would kill them if he can, he is an ex KGB agent.Look up what they did.

This is a rather silly assertion. Don't get me wrong, the man is a crook and an authoritarian (well, much like the current rulers of UK are as well), but he is not an idiot or some kind of caricature villain.

[JP226]

When they know too much or you suspect them to still be an informant for their former boss. That's why Berezovsky ended up committing "suicide" shortly before giving an interview, since UK intelligence doesn't want its ties to Russian elites to be discussed too openly by the former middle-men.
At the same time, why would Putin start assassinating people right before the elections? The man is a crook and an authoritarian, but he is not a CoD villain like primitive Western propaganda paints him to be to scare Western population into obeying their own authoritarian crooks like May or Merkel.

Exactly, he's a boogie man propped up by western media to justify our nonstop peddling across the globe. Funny thing about Putin is that he's got the same DNA every Russian leader has ever had, which is that of a strong man. And their population as a whole has been traumatized by Western Aggression dating at least as far back as Napoleon, continuing throughout the 19th century, into the 20th with full on wars of extermination and finally threatened by my own country with Nuclear annihilation well in the 1980's. So what happens if Putin's not there? They bring in a Yeltsin 2.0 that the West bent over backwards and had their way with? Fat chance, lol. We are the bad actors in all of this and I don't think we'd be satisfied until Russia itself ceases to exist. Then I suppose the next chapter in conflict will go back to a good ol' fashioned focus between the UK, France and Germany.

And if you really wanted to point to the powder keg that ignited the latest round of bickering, you have to go back to Kosovo and the Tony Blair with the typical British arrogance pushing some sort of moral high ground and getting Nato involved in Kosovo. It's crazy to me the Brit culture that is so ingrained that even their members on this site run around parroting the laughable lines like "racism being bad" or "stopping genocide in Africa..." It's not that those positions are inherently bad versus their willingness to leverage that into a position of superiority and actually act on them causing much more damage in the process. It is the same exactly logic of the "white man's burden." Only instead of tying it directly to race, they tie it to their own since of cultural superiority to fit the modern day.

[The spartan]

This is a rather silly assertion. Don't get me wrong, the man is a crook and an authoritarian (well, much like the current rulers of UK are as well), but he is not an idiot or some kind of caricature villain.

Democratic federal governments don't tend to assassinate their own citizens. Edward Snowden, for example, is at little risk of being killed by the CIA. When government power is spread out over different people, it is harder to hide such operations. It becomes much more feasible when you have complete lateral control of the government.