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    Some new info on Sarmat:


    NATO calls it Satan, like the pussies that they are, and are tripping over themselves to beat their chests to prove how brave and strong they are:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    By being an informed person. Your idea of "modernization" is absurd. "Modernization" does not imply that everything is rebuilt or redesigned. That's a waste of money. You realize that my power company still operates equipment made in the 60s right? And I live in state Washington, one of the richest states in the Union. Our local ferry service operates vehicles commissioned in the 60s and 70s far predating Soviet era equipment.
    If this allows to reduce costs and increase productivity, then this is justified. Moreover a large number of communications and housing in country is in disrepair.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    No you can't rofl. You are ignorant of how hard technology transfers are. Nobody is going to want to sell you equipment and teach you how to use it in exchange for worthless Rubles. Protectionist policies means there will be less trade with the West. Less trade means less foreign reserves. Less foreign reserves means Rubles are worthless on the exchange market.
    Who told you that for rubles? )) Russia has a large revenue from exports in foreign currency. Do you really think that if Russia leaves the WTO, then Europe will give up to buy Russian gas, for example? ))
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    The only other option is nationalizing entire industries which will come with their own sets of advantages/disadvantages.
    About this I say.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    In fact, today's American welfare arguably does more for the poor than USSR ever did due to advances in technology.
    Come on )) For a start, do you have free medical insurance for always?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    An insinuation that makes little to no sense as SMEs do not compete with oligarchs.
    Certainly compete if they work on the same niches. In addition, the oligarchs receive costly government contracts without fair competition.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    ...but neither you nor Grudinin have ever identified what institutional obstacles exist that discourage SMEs and how to change it. No substance to Grudinin's economic position whatsoever
    This is from the genre "I have not studied this issue, but have objective opinion" )
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    Except its not. The majority of Russians approve of Putin. They see no alternative to his regime...
    I have a feeling that you judge the situation in the country from the reports of the state Russian media ))
    Last edited by Alejandro Sanchez; March 14, 2018 at 12:14 AM.

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    In less than a decade, the US will lose its lead in military tech to Russia:
    Russia Will Challenge US Military Superiority in Europe by 2025: US General

    Russia is advancing in key military technology areas and shows no deceleration in efforts to destabilize the West, said the commander for U.S. forces in Europe.
    The Russian military may surpass U.S. military capability in Europe by 2025, Gen. Curtis M. Scaparrotti, head of U.S.European Command, told lawmakers on Thursday. He emphasized that keeping up EUCOM’s modernization was key to keeping up and maintaining superiority.
    Source: http://www.defenseone.com/threats/20...eneral/146523/

    Already, Russian subs are so silent they can move undetected into US waters to cause damage and grief:

    Russian nuclear subs quietly reached US coast & left undetected – Navy officer


    Russian nuclear-powered submarines conducted an exercise near American military bases with the objective of avoiding detection as they came close to the US coast, a submarine squadron commander told a Russian military TV channel.
    The stunning revelation was made in a military TV series set to air on Zvezda (‘Star’), the Russian Defense Ministry’s official broadcaster. The episode focuses on Akula-class Shchuka-B nuclear-powered attack submarines.
    Source: https://www.rt.com/news/421471-russi...ubs-us-drills/

    Notice how the Americans and the rest of NATO are trying desperately to stop news like this from reaching their population? If the people know, they'd cause riots
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Already, Russian subs are so silent they can move undetected into US waters to cause damage and grief:

    Notice how the Americans and the rest of NATO are trying desperately to stop news like this from reaching their population? If the people know, they'd cause riots
    You're so out of touch with reality it's comical, keep at it, this is entertaining in it's own twisted way. I can already imagine masses rioting and protesting in streets with signs "Russian submarines are too silent! We can't take it anymore!". Reality is couple military nerds might be interested in how silent each sub is, that's about it.

    ps. only place that seems concerned about russian subs is Sweden where they on regular basis make "spottings" and media throws gasoline in fire about em.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_submarine_incidents
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rine-stockholm
    Last edited by Ziltoid; March 16, 2018 at 06:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziltoid View Post
    You're so out of touch with reality it's comical, keep at it, this is entertaining in it's own twisted way. I can already imagine masses rioting and protesting in streets with signs "Russian submarines are too silent! We can't take it anymore!". Reality is couple military nerds might be interested in how silent each sub is, that's about it.
    You don't seem to realise how central US military might was in keeping the US masses loyal and docile and in support of the current regime; when military defeat after defeat leads to scores of US casualties and surviving veterans joining the growing fascist alt right, then there's definitely something to be said about a US that no longer possess military primacy as a means of keeping the masses loyal.


    ps. only place that seems concerned about russian subs is Sweden where they on regular basis make "spottings" and media throws gasoline in fire about em.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_submarine_incidents
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rine-stockholm
    Sweden wouldn't last a day against the Rus', the Finns might hold out for years but the Swedes today lack the good viking blood that formed the Varangian Guard.
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    This changes nothing. Russia already had nukes capable of killing everything. Being able to kill everything plus then some doesn't change anything. Also, USA can also kill everything with nukes. Both have thousands of nukes, and no one can stop thousands of nukes. Situation is unchanged since cold war. Biggest change since cold war is that russia is now smaller, weaker and poorer. Russia is already on par with USA in nuclear terms, so it's a waste of their limited resources to invest in nukes when what they really need is conventional military, or better yet, invest into their crappy economy. In fact if Russia wanted to be more "listened to" economy is what they should focus on. Russia is so dependent on energy exports that the USA could easily bring them to their knees if they really wanted to by reducing energy price with a combination of increasing its own energy production and with help of allies. Russia can't do anywhere near that kind of damage to the USA/west. Therefore, russia tends to listen more to the west than the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    This changes nothing. Russia already had nukes capable of killing everything. Being able to kill everything plus then some doesn't change anything. Also, USA can also kill everything with nukes. Both have thousands of nukes, and no one can stop thousands of nukes. Situation is unchanged since cold war. Biggest change since cold war is that russia is now smaller, weaker and poorer. Russia is already on par with USA in nuclear terms, so it's a waste of their limited resources to invest in nukes when what they really need is conventional military, or better yet, invest into their crappy economy. In fact if Russia wanted to be more "listened to" economy is what they should focus on. Russia is so dependent on energy exports that the USA could easily bring them to their knees if they really wanted to by reducing energy price with a combination of increasing its own energy production and with help of allies. Russia can't do anywhere near that kind of damage to the USA/west. Therefore, russia tends to listen more to the west than the other way around.
    Rubbish, thanks to sanctions, Russia is immune to any economic warfare the west led by the US, can inflict upon it. In fact, given that this FY was the very first that has Russia in budget surplus post sanctions, it's really saying something about the effects of the russia policy thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Rubbish, thanks to sanctions, Russia is immune to any economic warfare the west led by the US, can inflict upon it. In fact, given that this FY was the very first that has Russia in budget surplus post sanctions, it's really saying something about the effects of the russia policy thus far.
    Effect of russia policy is that they are using up their saved money, depressing wages, and cutting budgets. yes, that might mean budget surplus, but only stupids would determine health of economy by looking at budget surplus. russia is hurting economically, very bad. Mostly due to energy price, but also sanctions. Long term is even worse, since russia lacks investment into economy, and demographic decline. Lack of money hinders russia from investing into military, so this arms race will end just like the cold war did, with russia collapsing (unless russia just backs down of course). They simply don't have the means to compete with the USA. Everyone knows that Russia is on a long-term decline, with their shrinking population and looming demographic disasters, comming ethnic conflicts... That's why people don't "listen" much to russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    Effect of russia policy is that they are using up their saved money, depressing wages, and cutting budgets. yes, that might mean budget surplus, but only stupids would determine health of economy by looking at budget surplus. russia is hurting economically, very bad. Mostly due to energy price, but also sanctions. Long term is even worse, since russia lacks investment into economy, and demographic decline. Lack of money hinders russia from investing into military, so this arms race will end just like the cold war did, with russia collapsing (unless russia just backs down of course). They simply don't have the means to compete with the USA. Everyone knows that Russia is on a long-term decline, with their shrinking population and looming demographic disasters, comming ethnic conflicts... That's why people don't "listen" much to russia.
    Your data is out of date; do people here think that the world never progressed from 1994?! Do they still use payphones and listen to Nirvana? Friggin' hell.

    russia's birth rates have recovered, the government is encouraging more birth with social programs and they have all that oil money, even the black budget black ops stuff that funded these exotic weapons we're only now seeing.

    Besides, Russia doesn't need to be the hyperpower to win, it just needs to frustrate american grand strategies in the middle east and europe which it's doing with great skill and finesse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Your data is out of date; do people here think that the world never progressed from 1994?! Do they still use payphones and listen to Nirvana? Friggin' hell.

    russia's birth rates have recovered, the government is encouraging more birth with social programs and they have all that oil money, even the black budget black ops stuff that funded these exotic weapons we're only now seeing.

    Besides, Russia doesn't need to be the hyperpower to win, it just needs to frustrate american grand strategies in the middle east and europe which it's doing with great skill and finesse.
    The demographic decline i was referring to was not merely that of birth rates. Russia is at 1.8 which is still in decline. Granted, a relatively slow decline compared to much of europe, but still a decline. Low Russian life expectancy of course makes it worse. But the real looming disaster is of course that russian muslim birthrate is higher than russian christian one. Muslims are a steadily growing percentage of russia's population, both due to births and immigration. Chechnya is of course growing very fast, and there are very few russians left there. Russia can buy their loyalty with oil-money for now, but as russians get fewer, and russian money dries up, can russia keep control of the growing muslim population? maybe, we will see, but russia definitely will have instability problems due to muslims in the future.

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    But the real looming disaster is of course that russian muslim birthrate is higher than russian christian one. Muslims are a steadily growing percentage of russia's population, both due to births and immigration. Chechnya is of course growing very fast, and there are very few russians left there
    Are these the very same Chechen muslims led by Kadyrov who were spearheading the Russian specops against their fellow muslims in Syria? Man, they sure are gonna turn on Russia now aren't they, especially when they're more than happy to be a part of Mother Russia and killing ISIS World Caliphate (trademarked) and other assorted non Russia aligned muslims.

    Meanwhile, the Third Rome has been building as many Orthodox churches as before: https://aleteia.org/2018/01/02/russi...last-30-years/
    Russia’s Orthodox Church has opened 30,000 places of worship in last 30 years
    Since it's clear that Putin's Admin. has a clear goal of Russia being the figurehead of Russian orthodox Christianity.https://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/euro...073916624.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukada1 View Post
    Do you think that no matter what Russia does, it will be labelled as the great 'Other', the enemy of Europe, the enemy of the United States?
    This thread illustrates how Kremlin supporter and Kremlin sceptic alike can't gain any sympathy overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chukada1 View Post
    Is it sick that the Pentagon thinks that killing Russians abroad will some how make Putin less popular, but they don't think the more realistic outcome, which is make people hate America more, and rally behind Putin who is anti-American??
    I'd say that in above-mentioned incident, as unclear as it is, it's more alarming that westerners prefer those people killed to be russians.

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    Anyways, i think its crucial for everyone to understand that this new arms race is a bad thing, and we have one planet to share. Nuclear war would most likely wipe out both Russia and the U.S, and for what? This is like another great example why being born on this planet was a mistake, its just too backwards in here... my luck.
    Last edited by Abdülmecid I; March 24, 2018 at 03:38 AM. Reason: Off-Topic.

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    The Western politicians who typically can't shut up about "Russian threat" is more of an internal politics thing, where you typically need a boogeyman to scare the population into obeying you and voting for you to protect them from the Bear. Although with recent demographic changes and said leaders flooding their countries with vibrant and culturally enriching minorities, that threaten native population far more then Russians do, it certainly started to backfire and more people started viewing Putin as some kind of patriotic messiah, which he certainly isn't. At the same time, ironically, the "Russian threat" rhetoric is perfectly mirrored by "NATO threat" rhetoric by Russian government which is pretty much done for the same purpose.

    I guess the biggest irony is that politicians who keep talking about how Russians are about to get them are... quite similar to Putin themselves.
    By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms -- elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest -- will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial [...]. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.
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    Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited, 1958

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    Now I don't mean to brag, but guess who was entirely correct about Grudinin being a fringe candidate? The Communist Party got even less votes than the last election. There is also the announcement of Putin pledging to reduce military spending which btw, means almost nothing. I doubt he will reduce it significantly, and considering that the economy is predicted to grow, and the possibility of spiking hydrocarbon prices, the overall GDP of Russia is likely to grow meaning military spending can potentially increase in nominal terms by the time the next election comes even if it is reduced in terms of %GDP growth.

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    Anyways, i think its crucial for everyone to understand that this new arms race is a bad thing, and we have one planet to share. Nuclear war would most likely wipe out both Russia and the U.S, and for what? This is like another great example why being born on this planet was a mistake, its just too backwards in here... my luck.
    y'gotta remember that it is the Anglos who're pushing the rest of europe and NATO into this cold war; plus all the anglo 1%ers already hav their bunkers ready and waiting for them in New Zealand. Chances are, Putin already has Sarmats targeted to blanket all of NZ.
    Last edited by Abdülmecid I; March 24, 2018 at 03:39 AM. Reason: Continuity.

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