SSHIP Ideas for future releases

[Lifthrasir]

If we consider Chrétiens de Troyes as reference, he wrote his "arthurian" romans from 1175 to 1182 AD more or less. So, yes, these 100 turns, no matter from where they come from, are quite accurate actually.
Agree that this is not accurate for some of the factions. Artists or theater troups for Muslim factions might be more suitable
And what about the others such as Eastern Europe or with the Greek culture (ERE and Georgia)?

[reaper101]

Slight issue: may want to rework historical availability of units? As it is, we get told about gunpowder long before we're able to build gunpowder units, and are able to build carracks before we can build bombards, which seems...off. No real objection to English longbowmen availability though, as it makes sense (starts a generation after longbow practice becomes mandatory). Not sure on other units though, anyone else find mismatched history with in-game reality.

[Jurand of Cracow]

I had once a few questions and I'm interested in your experience with Rimabaults and trebuchets:

On artillery: after like 1220 in the east a mercenary Rimbault unit appears. The Kievian armies field them occassionally. These are pretty powerful units - comparatively fast reloading and high range artillery, impalling many people and spreading fear. On the bridge battles they're absolutely kings.
I wonder what is the historical background on them? And how it's possible that they appear as mercs somewhere in the steppes...

Besides - I'm also concerned with those trebuchets used in the field battles. I've had a battle (a bridge one, admittedely) where they're a major force.

[Lifthrasir]

I thought I have already answered to this
Trebuchet were not used on battlefield but only for sieges as defensive and as offensive weapon alike.
About ribault, I need to dig out my notes

[Jurand of Cracow]

Trebuchet were not used on battlefield but only for sieges as defensive and as offensive weapon alike.

I somehow know it. The problem is: I've played a battle and they're very much effective against my troops - they've done a lot of damage.
Now the question is: what to do with them?

[Mamlaz]

About ribault, I need to dig out my notes

They were sporadically present on the battlefield since 1339 I think.

They are historical.

They were basically just smaller culverins mounted together in a stack.

[Jurand of Cracow]

They were sporadically present on the battlefield since 1339 I think.
They are historical.
They were basically just smaller culverins mounted together in a stack.

Very good information, this means to me that:
- having them in early 13 century is not historical;
- they should be rather ineffective on the battlefield - as the early culverins were. When - historically - the field artillery started to be effective in the field, late 15-century or later?

[Lifthrasir]

That's correct JoC.
From my opinion, most of these weapons should be available only for sieges. However, the only option would be to add them (or some of them such as the trebuchet f.e.) beside the ladders, siege tower and so on. But I don't think that it's possible unfortunately.

Another option could be to forbide to attack a fortified settlement (which means all of them except villages) straight away, without a siege. A minimum amount of turns should be defined (like 1 or 2 turns f.e.). Again, not sure how it can be done (if possible)

[Mamlaz]

Perhaps there is a command line that tells the army that it can assault the city if it has siege equipment unit?
Changing that from 1 to 0, if such a line exists, would do the trick.

- they should be rather ineffective on the battlefield - as the early culverins were. When - historically - the field artillery started to be effective in the field, late 15-century or later?

Eh, I do not honestly know how effective they were in the 14th century, but in the 15th century culverins were very effective.
Pretty much deciding some Hussite battles and French victories over the English at the late H years war.

[Jurand of Cracow]

From my opinion, most of these weapons should be available only for sieges. However, the only option would be to add them (or some of them such as the trebuchet f.e.) beside the ladders, siege tower and so on. But I don't think that it's possible unfortunately.

Neither do I. I think the only way is to tweak the trebuchets in the way they're utterly inaccurate against troops.

Another option could be to forbide to attack a fortified settlement (which means all of them except villages) straight away, without a siege. A minimum amount of turns should be defined (like 1 or 2 turns f.e.). Again, not sure how it can be done (if possible)

It's possible to be done through traits. This has been explored here for the SSHIP, and it has been implemented by vsivak for the Broken Crescent. One of the many benefits of such solution (that is limited to the player) is that the AI won't go crazy with the something it doesn't know.

[Dekhatres]

personally i just reduced the damage siege weaponry deals against troops, a trebuchet hit for example kills like 3 soldiers instead of 10-15 on a hit

[Lifthrasir]

What is the efficiency against walls during a siege then?

[Dekhatres]

What is the efficiency against walls during a siege then?

same, there's damage vs walls and there's damage vs troops

EDU

class            missile
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_missile
banner holy      crusade
soldier          NE_Trebuchet_Crew, 24, 2, 0.8
officer      northern_captain
engine           trebuchet


attributes       sea_faring, hardy, can_withdraw, artillery
formation        1.5, 1.5, 3, 3, 3, square
stat_health      1, 2
stat_pri         1, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, artillery_mechanical, piercing, knife, 15, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         5, 3, trebuchet, 285, 30, siege_missile, artillery_mechanical, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    ap, bp, area, launching
stat_ter         12, 3, cow_carcass, 215, 3, siege_missile, artillery_mechanical, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_ter_attr    ap, bp, launching
stat_pri_armour  3, 3, 0, leather
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1

descr_projectile

projectile trebuchet


effect 			boulder_medium_set
end_effect				ground_impact_treb_set
end_man_effect			man_impact_catapult_set
end_package_effect    	wall_impact_medium_set
end_shatter_effect		ground_impact_treb_set
end_shatter_man_effect		man_impact_catapult_set
end_shatter_package_effect	wall_impact_medium_set




damage			60
damage_to_troops 10
radius			0.4
mass			2.0		;appears to be units of 100kg (given a man is 0.8)
area			1
accuracy_vs_units		0.08
accuracy_vs_buildings	0.04
accuracy_vs_towers      0.04
min_angle		-15
max_angle		60
velocity		75 ;61
;bounce			0.01 0.01 0.93 0.5
body_piercing
display			aimed