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    THE ARMENIAN KINGDOM OF CILICIA



    A new kingdom in Anatolia, the Cilician kingdom is the result of one dynasty's ambition. Building on years of successful diplomacy and sheer force of will, the Roupenid lords of Armenia found their crown by putting the powerful Armenian barons to heel and alternating their loyalties. It is with the newly founded frankish kingdoms in the Levant and the Holy Church in Rome that King Levon found his most useful allies, bartering the independence of the Armenian Church for a crown from the Pope in Rome.

    Levon was quick to find what made Frankish societies successful and implemented sweeping reforms across the new kingdom. Adopting the frankish legal and administrative structure, the nominally subservient Nakharars became Parons (''Barons''), vassals of the king of Armenia and French courtly offices were introduced for better management of the realm. Castles and fiefs were granted to Monastic orders to better protect the borders of Cilicia. European concepts of chivalry were adopted and jousts became a staple for nobles. Cities were granted greater autonomy and trading rights were handed to the three major Italian maritime republics to foster growth and prosperity, with large foreign merchant quarters building up along the coast. The fostering of urban communities further segmented Armenian society, with the bourgenses (bourdjes) gaining an increasing role compared to the traditional farming communities (rustici).

    The transition from a traditional army to a frankish army was executed from top to bottom. The traditional office of Sparapet was replaced by the French Goundesdapel (''Constable''), the new leader of the Armenian armies. The new class of anointed knights, the Aspetner, became the elite force of Cilicia, fighting much like the Franks in the Levant. The armies now almost entirely revolved around the nobility and their household troops, further supplemented by irregulars from the Armenian highlands and communal militias.

    Early Era


    General units :

    King Levon

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    Goundesdapel and Bodyguards
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    The goundesdapel (''constable'') is the military leader of the Armenian armies. A noble of birth, he is flanked by his most trusted and experienced soldiers to keep harm from befalling him.



    Skirmisher Infantry Units :

    Bardzravandak Skirmishers
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    The main power base of the Armenian lords, the highlands (arm. bardzravandak) house the highest portion of Armenians in the kingdom, who act as natural frontiersmen against the numerous hostile forces. Independent-minded and unruly, they are capable warriors when called upon, especially in the mountains where they have much better knowledge of the terrain.


    Levy Archers
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    While only lightly trained and equipped, levies can form a large source of manpower in emergencies. The traditional weapons of Armenians, the bow and spear, are the most natural for the common man to be wielding.


    Bourdjes Archers
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    The rise of the urban-dwelling common man as a demographic in the Kingdom of Cilicia has been largely at a form of patronage from the royal court. With increased independence and better economic opportunities from important trade routes, the Cilician cities have developed, much in the same way as their European counterparts, their own militias to keep order and man the walls in case of assault.


    Italian Mercenaries
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    The trade rights granted to Venice, Genoa and Pisa have fueled trade in Cilicia and created merchant communities from Italy all across the kingdom, but most importantly along the coast. Not only merchants find their wealth in Cilicia, but also mercenaries come abroad to fight for the cross and some coin.


    Archer Serzhantner
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').


    Dismounted Archer Dziaworner
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.



    Melee Infantry Units :

    Cilcian Levies
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    While only lightly trained and equipped, levies can form a large source of manpower in emergencies. The traditional weapons of Armenians, the bow and spear, are the most natural for the common man to be wielding.


    Bourdjes Militia
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    The rise of the urban-dwelling common man as a demographic in the Kingdom of Cilicia has been largely at a form of patronage from the royal court. With increased independence and better economic opportunities from important trade routes, the Cilician cities have developed, much in the same way as their European counterparts, their own militias to keep order and man the walls in case of assault.


    Spear Serzhantner
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').


    Bardzraharker
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    The main power base of the Armenian lords, the highlands (arm. bardzravandak) house the highest portion of Armenians in the kingdom, who act as natural frontiersmen against the numerous hostile forces. Independent-minded and unruly, they are capable warriors when called upon, especially in the mountains where they have much better knowledge of the terrain.


    Foot Serzhantner
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').


    Dismounted Dziaworner
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.



    Skirmisher Cavalry Units :

    Bardzravandak Skirmishers

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    The main power base of the Armenian lords, the highlands (arm. bardzravandak) house the highest portion of Armenians in the kingdom, who act as natural frontiersmen against the numerous hostile forces. Independent-minded and unruly, they are capable warriors when called upon, especially in the mountains where they have much better knowledge of the terrain.


    Turcopoles
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    A holdover from the Byzantine era, Turcopoles are native-born Turks of Anatolia. Integrated into the regular armies of Armenia and the Holy Orders, they act as light cavalrymen and fight using the traditional weapons of the Turks, the bow and lance.


    Archer Dziaworner
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.



    Melee/Shock Cavalry Units :

    Aspatakner
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    Aspatakner (''raiders'') are light cavalrymen that serve typically in scouting and patrol duties and to undermine enemy logistical support.


    Serzhantner
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').


    Dziaworner
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.


    Aspetner
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    The Aspet is the ultimate expression of Armenian chivalry. Traditionally a title only belonging to members of the royal family from the Bagratuni period, it has been revived by the Armenian royalty in Cilicia. Owing fealty only to the most powerful lords of Cilicia, the Aspetner dress, train and fight like the Frankish knights of Levant.



    HIGH ERA UNITS

    General units :

    King Levon V de Lusignan and Latin armati guard


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    Faction Leader (High)

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    Goundesdapel and Bodyguards (High)
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    The goundesdapel (''constable'') is the military leader of the Armenian armies. A noble of birth, he is flanked by his most trusted and experienced soldiers to keep harm from befalling him.


    Skirmisher Infantry Units :

    Levy Archers (High)
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    While only lightly trained and equipped, levies can form a large source of manpower in emergencies. The traditional weapons of Armenians, the bow and spear, are the most natural for the common man to be wielding.

    Bourdjes Archers (High)

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    The rise of the urban-dwelling common man as a demographic in the Kingdom of Cilicia has been largely at a form of patronage from the royal court. With increased independence and better economic opportunities from important trade routes, the Cilician cities have developed, much in the same way as their European counterparts, their own militias to keep order and man the walls in case of assault.

    Italian Colonials (High era Italian Mercenaries)
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    The trade rights granted to Venice, Genoa and Pisa have fueled trade in Cilicia and created merchant communities from Italy all across the kingdom, but most importantly along the coast. Trade quarters for Italians flourished in the Eastern Mediterranean with several numbering thousands of colonials who became a significant part of the population in major urban communities.

    Handgunners
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    First finding use in the 14th century, gunpowder weapons became more and more available over time, with lower costs of productions from local manufacturing of gunpowder. Due to the high cost of use, early firearms were largely limited to soldiers that were supplied by wealthy nobles.

    Archer Serzhantner (High)

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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').

    Dismounted Archer Dziaworner (High)
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.


    Melee Infantry Units :

    Cilcian Levies (High)

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    While only lightly trained and equipped, levies can form a large source of manpower in emergencies. The traditional weapons of Armenians, the bow and spear, are the most natural for the common man to be wielding.

    Bourdjes Militia (High)

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    The rise of the urban-dwelling common man as a demographic in the Kingdom of Cilicia has been largely at a form of patronage from the royal court. With increased independence and better economic opportunities from important trade routes, the Cilician cities have developed, much in the same way as their European counterparts, their own militias to keep order and man the walls in case of assault.

    Spear Serzhantner (High)
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').

    Bardzraharker (High)

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    The main power base of the Armenian lords, the highlands (arm. bardzravandak) house the highest portion of Armenians in the kingdom, who act as natural frontiersmen against the numerous hostile forces. Independent-minded and unruly, they are capable warriors when called upon, especially in the mountains where they have much better knowledge of the terrain.

    Foot Serzhantner (High)
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').

    Dismounted Dziaworner (High)
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.


    Skirmisher Cavalry Units :

    Tartars
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    Work in progress.


    Italian Colonial Cavalry
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    The trade rights granted to Venice, Genoa and Pisa have fueled trade in Cilicia and created merchant communities from Italy all across the kingdom, but most importantly along the coast. Trade quarters for Italians flourished in the Eastern Mediterranean with several numbering thousands of colonials who became a significant part of the population in major urban communities.


    Turcopoles (High)

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    A holdover from the Byzantine era, Turcopoles are native-born Turks of Anatolia. Integrated into the regular armies of Armenia and the Holy Orders, they act as light cavalrymen and fight using the traditional weapons of the Turks, the bow and lance.

    Archer Dziaworner (High)

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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.


    Melee/Shock Cavalry Units :

    Aspatakner (High)

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    Aspatakner (''raiders'') are light cavalrymen that serve typically in scouting and patrol duties and to undermine enemy logistical support.

    Serzhantner (High)
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').

    Dziaworner (High)

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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.

    Aspetner (High)
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    The Aspet is the ultimate expression of Armenian chivalry. Traditionally a title only belonging to members of the royal family from the Bagratuni period, it has been revived by the Armenian royalty in Cilicia. Owing fealty only to the most powerful lords of Cilicia, the Aspetner dress, train and fight like the Frankish knights of Levant.


    LATE ERA UNITS

    General units :


    Faction Leader (Late)
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    Goundesdapel and Bodyguards (Late)
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    The goundesdapel (''constable'') is the military leader of the Armenian armies. A noble of birth, he is flanked by his most trusted and experienced soldiers to keep harm from befalling him.



    Skirmisher Infantry Units :

    Levy Archers (Late)
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    While only lightly trained and equipped, levies can form a large source of manpower in emergencies. The traditional weapons of Armenians, the bow and spear, are the most natural for the common man to be wielding.


    Bourdjes Archers (Late)
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    The rise of the urban-dwelling common man as a demographic in the Kingdom of Cilicia has been largely at a form of patronage from the royal court. With increased independence and better economic opportunities from important trade routes, the Cilician cities have developed, much in the same way as their European counterparts, their own militias to keep order and man the walls in case of assault.


    Bourdjes Handgunners
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    The rise of the urban-dwelling common man as a demographic in the Kingdom of Cilicia has been largely at a form of patronage from the royal court. With increased independence and better economic opportunities from important trade routes, the Cilician cities have developed, much in the same way as their European counterparts, their own militias to keep order and man the walls in case of assault.


    Italian Colonials (Late)
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    The trade rights granted to Venice, Genoa and Pisa have fueled trade in Cilicia and created merchant communities from Italy all across the kingdom, but most importantly along the coast. Trade quarters for Italians flourished in the Eastern Mediterranean with several numbering thousands of colonials who became a significant part of the population in major urban communities.


    Handgunners
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    First finding use in the 14th century, gunpowder weapons became more and more available over time, with lower costs of productions from local manufacturing of gunpowder. Firearms would become a staple of 15th century armies and eventually surpass all other missile weapons as better designs became available.


    Archer Serzhantner (Late)
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').


    Dismounted Archer Dziaworner (Late)
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.



    Melee Infantry Units :

    Cilcian Levies (Late)
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    While only lightly trained and equipped, levies can form a large source of manpower in emergencies. The traditional weapons of Armenians, the bow and spear, are the most natural for the common man to be wielding.


    Bourdjes Militia (Late)
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    The rise of the urban-dwelling common man as a demographic in the Kingdom of Cilicia has been largely at a form of patronage from the royal court. With increased independence and better economic opportunities from important trade routes, the Cilician cities have developed, much in the same way as their European counterparts, their own militias to keep order and man the walls in case of assault.


    Spear Serzhantner (Late)
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').


    Foot Serzhantner (Late)
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').


    Dismounted Dziaworner (Late)
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 



    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.



    Skirmisher Cavalry Units :

    Italian Colonial Cavalry
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    The trade rights granted to Venice, Genoa and Pisa have fueled trade in Cilicia and created merchant communities from Italy all across the kingdom, but most importantly along the coast. Trade quarters for Italians flourished in the Eastern Mediterranean with several numbering thousands of colonials who became a significant part of the population in major urban communities.


    Turcopoles (Late)
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    A holdover from the Byzantine era, Turcopoles are native-born Turks of Anatolia. Integrated into the regular armies of Armenia and the Holy Orders, they act as light cavalrymen and fight using the traditional weapons of the Turks, the bow and lance.


    Archer Dziaworner (Late)
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.



    Melee/Shock Cavalry Units :

    Aspatakner (Late)
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    Aspatakner (''raiders'') are light cavalrymen that serve typically in scouting and patrol duties and to undermine enemy logistical support.


    Serzhantner (Late)
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    The Cilician armies, under the leadership of Levon and his house, have developed a typical European structure. The main core is provided by nobles accompanied by their household troops, Serzhantner (''Sergeants'').


    Estradiots (from Ltd's mercenaries)
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    Albanian or Greek mercenaries that formed an elite group of light cavalrymen in, most particularly, the Venetian and Italian armies during the late period of the Medieval era. Such soldiers were brought to Cyprus and recruited there late in the 15th century and are famed for their effectiveness in battle.


    Dziaworner (Late)
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    The former core of the Armenian cavalry, the Dziawor (''horseman''), was organized into Azat contingents. The Azats were typically the lesser nobility under service and oath to higher nobility and, as part of their responsibilities, fought as heavy cavalry in the Armenian forces, well trained in the use of countless weapons such as the lance, bow, mace and sword.


    Aspetner (Late)
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    The Aspet is the ultimate expression of Armenian chivalry. Traditionally a title only belonging to members of the royal family from the Bagratuni period, it has been revived by the Armenian royalty in Cilicia. Owing fealty only to the most powerful lords of Cilicia, the Aspetner dress, train and fight like the Frankish knights of Levant.



    A HUGE THANKS TO LTD., SLYTACULAR, BANSKIE, DONTFEARME22, WARMAN AND THE AE TEAM (ALONG WITH ANYONE ELSE WHO MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED AN ITEM TO THIS ROSTER THAT I AM NOT AWARE OF) FOR THEIR MODELS.

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    Looks very promising!

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    What about order units? They need at least Teutonic knights.

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    Really great job, units look very good! Thank you. Looking forward for a final version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinusLinothorax View Post
    What about order units? They need at least Teutonic knights.
    Those are tied to the Holy Order building line, which is tied to the Catholic tree. So yes, they will have access to Holy Order units. There might be something else for that in the Crusader factions building trees, but I'm not sure about it considering how intimately tied to the Roman church it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    Really great job, units look very good! Thank you. Looking forward for a final version.
    Thank you for the kind words. Even the early era should receive an update in the near future to make the faction a bit closer to some of the 13th century manuscripts.

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    Thanks a lot man Great stuff. I just wish we had a little access to these beauties.
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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    Nice work man. As always this is a very well researched, detailed and colorful roster and I really like the mix of eastern and western influences and styles.

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    Very cool roster. Some of those helmets look like something you'd see during the Hellenistic era, I didn't know those designs were still in use by the 13th century, it makes this faction look very unique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade View Post
    Very cool roster. Some of those helmets look like something you'd see during the Hellenistic era, I didn't know those designs were still in use by the 13th century, it makes this faction look very unique.
    I also found that helmet design very eccentric, like the things you'd see in Victorian era paintings of antiquity. But these helmets come from 13th century manuscripts :



    Since we love unique things in our mod team, beautiful and ugly alike, they obviously made the cut.

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    Main post has been updated with Tier 2.

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    Truly a refreshing rooster.Good job can't wait to see late units.

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    Wow! Nice!

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    Updated with Late era units. Roster is now finished!

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    Absolutely great units!

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    Really looking forward to playing this, as i am a Cilician Armenian myself. Great work on the detail.

    Only thing is the flag in the early era should be slightly different

    This flag was used from 1198-1219 under the Rubenid Dynasty



    And the later flag from 1226-1341 under the Hethumid Dynasty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Armo1000 View Post
    Really looking forward to playing this, as i am a Cilician Armenian myself. Great work on the detail.

    Only thing is the flag in the early era should be slightly different

    This flag was used from 1198-1219 under the Rubenid Dynasty



    And the later flag from 1226-1341 under the Hethumid Dynasty.

    The second one is definitely more stylized and seemingly based on Leo II of the Hethumid dynasty.

    I took my stuff from Wappenwiki : http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Arme...dom_of_Cilicia

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsimmortal View Post
    The second one is definitely more stylized and seemingly based on Leo II of the Hethumid dynasty.

    I took my stuff from Wappenwiki : http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Arme...dom_of_Cilicia

    Which Leo are you referring too exactly? it gets a bit confusing due to Cilicia being a principality from 1080-1198 and then a kingdom from 1198-1375. So the kings after 1198 were both the first and the second if they took the name of an older king, for example Leo II was also Leo I as he was the first king of Cilicia after it became a Kingdom from 1198 but also the second as there was a Leo before him than ruled from 1129-1140 when it was still a principality. Leo I and Leo I (II) where of the Rubenid Dynasty while Leo II (III) was of the Hethumids. What gets more confusing is that most Cilician kings had about three separate names, for example Leo I (II) was also called Levon or Leon, both an Armenian and European sounding name i guess.

    if you look at the Wiki article showing all the kings and princes it shows how they where numbered.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dom_of_Cilicia

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    wow an ciclian armenian really intresting are you a big community there?

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