A clear case of murder by a police officer

[The spartan]

That's not even what happened. Yeah, if you yell "I have a gun!" and reach for your pocket, you'll get shot.

Have you not seen the dashcam footage, or are you just lying? I will give you this, if it was a lie, you managed it so confidently that I had to look up the footage again to make sure I wasn't crazy.

To literally quote Castille moments before he was shot (in which there had been no yelling beforehand): "Sir, I do have to tell you that I have a firearm on me."

If you registered that as yelling "I have a gun!", then you are blinded by partisanship beyond hope.

[L'Afrique]

That's not even what happened. Yeah, if you yell "I have a gun!" and reach for your pocket, you'll get shot. Plenty of videos online are out there, where cops get shot because perps drew their guns faster.
Having said that, people who want gun control are hypocritical, willfully or not.

That is not what happened to Philando Castile, and there are both dashcam and phone videos showing that he was executed. He was in the process of handing over his ID, said quite calmly "Sir, I do have to tell you that I have a firearm on me.", and was shot to death within seconds while screaming "I'm not reaching for it! I'm not reaching for it!". I guess it's possible that after saying that, his plan was to do a crazy ninja move, grab his gun, and somehow take out two cops. But if so he was the most incompetent cop killer ever, Occam's Razor, etc?

There was no yelling, there were no sudden moves, there was calmly and dutifully complying. Post-mortem examination reveals that he was, in fact, not reaching for it, and did everything a legal concealed carry license holder is required to do.

Past that, instead of logically responding, I'm going to point out that you have described the nazi Sturmabteilung as an organization founded to defend free speech. How does it feel to be a chief spokesperson of nazism on a dead forum? You must feel that you have so many obvious steaming takes. I bet you could run for the senate if it weren't for libtard hypocrites rigging elections.

Overall I highly doubt that your views on policing are compatible with a democratic state that protects individual liberty, but somehow, you'll respond in a way that paints me (someone outraged about government officials murdering citizens) as a big government commie traitor and you (someone who shrugs and figures "eh, got what they deserved" when government officials murder citizens) as a small-government libertarian capitalist defending individual liberty.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd7zW4aRlYE -Warning, no blood or gore but this is footage and audio of a man being murdered. Related links will show the scene in the car as he bleeds out and his gf's four-year-old daugher screams that she doesn't want her mom to get "shooted" too.

Here's the police's own footage if anyone wants to take a look. If Philando Castile deserved to be murdered then what exactly should he have done differently?

[Elfdude]

I can't post videos directly due to forum rules, but you can look up "bodycam policeman shot" on youtube and it will yield plenty of results.

This yielded no results. All I found were police shooting people.

[Mithradates]

This yielded no results. All I found were police shooting people.

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youtube Officers Survive Being Shot by Suspect

[mishkin]

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youtube Officers Survive Being Shot by Suspect

A low quality prep video, police officers wounded during gunfights, a police officer injured while aiming at an individual with a teaser. But I agree with you, we must restrict the access of firearms to the state security forces.

[Heathen Hammer]

A low quality prep video, police officers wounded during gunfights, a police officer injured while aiming at an individual with a teaser. But I agree with you, we must restrict the access of firearms to the state security forces.

Wait, so you guys believe that cops are KKK maniacs who shoot black people for sport or that they should have monopoly on firearms? You can't really have both.

[Elfdude]

We actually have evidence that white supremacists disproportionately make up the police force. This was released and confirmed by several internal audits run by other organizations. The KKK, Neo-Nazis and other far right groups have utilized the police to enforce their beliefs and the US's unique protection of police against all evidence has resulted in preventing the even low standard that normal US folks use to identify white supremacists from eliminating/identifying these folks.

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I found a total of 5 instances, 1 of an officer being shot by another officer who was unaware he was undercover. The second of a robbery suspect, the third of a domestic abuse suspect and a fourth of miami growhouse. These are interspersed with videos such as unarmed black man begs for life. In each case the Cop already had their weapons out at the ready. I found one where an armed robber approaches an officer during a routine traffic stop of a different individual as well. One of which I saw no gun, officer fired one shot wounding suspect who fell to the ground and begged for his life, failed to comply with any commands but was not shot. The only deadly incident happened well after the initial encounter where the suspect refused to remove his hands from his pockets, the officer violated his own SOP and was shot and killed, which is truly unfortunate that officers seem to trust white men (with their hands in their pockets) despite being the most likely to shoot cops. I also have to mention none of these violate TOS of TWCenter and far more graphic videos of innocents being shot by police have been posted regularly.

[The spartan]

Wait, so you guys believe that cops are KKK maniacs who shoot black people for sport

I don't think anyone was claiming that, no. You seem to not be good a hearing what people actually say (Castille still didn't yell "I have a gun" at a police officer).

[IronBrig4]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-heads-to-jury

And things just keep getting worse for the Baltimore PD. The task force had been engaged in racketeering and robbery for a long time, and were able to fool (or receive support from) judges and IA. Now it's a question of who isn't dirty.

[Elfdude]

This is part of the issue.

[B. W.]

This is part of the issue.

Exactly right. There are too many instances of police inability to make an accurate assessment of the threat before shooting.

Here is another instance of a police officer shooting to kill. He gives an order and then shoots before the victim had any chance at all to comply, not to mention he didn't bother to make any assessment of the situation.

https://michaelsavage.com/?p=12456

[B. W.]

Another instance of an unwarranted police shooting. Something is wrong with police training programs.

https://wgntv.com/2018/11/11/multipl...ng-police-say/

[Papay]

These incidents happen unfortunately. The more crime exists the more the police has chances to mess things up. I bet though that if the guard was white the police would act differently

[Gaidin]

These incidents happen unfortunately. The more crime exists the more the police has chances to mess things up. I bet though that if the guard was white the police would act differently

"These incidents happen..." is not the proper response. If they want to be trusted with this they need to be nailed to the wall when they do wrong. The guy had a ing god damn security vest. Really.

[irontaino]

Good guy with a gun only applies if you don't have excess melanin.

[Gaidin]

Good guy with a gun only applies if you don't have excess melanin.

YUP.

[Papay]

"These incidents happen..." is not the proper response. If they want to be trusted with this they need to be nailed to the wall when they do wrong. The guy had a ing god damn security vest. Really.

We dont know details. There was an incident in Los Angeles some months ago were the police hesitated to shoot someone armed with a knife and the result was that he took hostage a woman and they were both shot dead. Its not always easy to act correctly under these circumstances. I am more curious on what the response of the state is in these incidents

[Gaidin]

We dont know details. There was an incident in Los Angeles some months ago were the police hesitated to shoot someone armed with a knife and the result was that he took hostage a woman and they were both shot dead. Its not always easy to act correctly under these circumstances. I am more curious on what the response of the state is in these incidents

THESE ARE TRAINED PEOPLE. These are not civilian citizens we expect to rush in to see someone black and with a gun and shoot his ass down. We expect a police officer to quickly and accurately assess the situation because that is what they are trained to do. We expect the police officer to see a security officer and not shoot the security officer. Why? Because he is a police officer and he is well trained. Did he up? Is he poorly trained? Or is he racist?


Pick one.

[the_mango55]

People who say "it's just a few bad apples" clearly don't understand or even know the cliche.

the saying is not "It's just a few bad apples so it's no big deal"

it's "A few bad apples spoil the bunch"

The "thin blue line" is clearly spoiling the bunch. Even if there are only a few bad cops who are corrupt, racist, violent, or otherwise abuse their power; if the organizations in power like the police unions (strangely the only union that conservatives support), police chiefs and sheriffs defend the bad cops in order to save face while getting rid of the cops would would blow the whistle on them, then clearly the whole bunch is spoiled.

The whole point of that saying is that you have to get rid of the bad apples IMMEDIATELY, not put them on administrative leave for a couple weeks or quietly shuffle them off to some other department.

[HannibalExMachina]

not surprising, people dont seem to understand the allegory of two people looking out the same window and seeing different weather either. or they reurgitate uncomplete orwell quotes to prove orwell, a commited socialist, was condemning socialism.

or, to stay on topic: black lives matter. or they should, as much as any other. while blue lives clearly matter more than that.