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    wilddog's Avatar Paintedwolves run free
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    This is just a note about a mod I'm working on. I'm not recruiting for this its more just for information and to see whether anyone in the community would be interested once its completed (Which certainly won't be for some time). So what does it cover?

    This mod is meant as a fun mod set loosely around the events and people in Medieval Britain in the period 1280 to 1330.

    So did much happen around then?

    Firstly Llewelyn ap Gruffydd the only native Welsh prince of Wales was drawn into a second war with Edward I due to the actions of his brother Dafydd. This resulted in the conquest of Wales and the death of both Llewelyn and Dafydd. However Welsh discontent erupted shortly afterwards with the main revolt being that of Madog ap Llywelyn.

    The English had two ruling kings in this period Edward I and Edward II the latter being murdered by his own nobles. Edward III although King in this period didn’t finally get control of his Kingdom until late 1330.

    The only other hereditary title in England at this time was that of Earl. There were 9 English Earls at the start of this period plus the Earl of Ulster and Earl of Richmond (Duke of Brittany) who had lands in England.

    The 9 Main English Earls were the powerful Earl of Lancaster (and Derby) the Earl of Gloucester, Earl of Oxford, Earl of Hereford (and Essex), Earl of Surrey, Earl of Warwick, Earl of Pembroke, the Earl of Arundel and the Earl of Lincoln. Additionally there was the Earl of Richmond (title held by the Duke of Brittany) and the Earl of Ulster.

    A further 6 Earls were created in this period during Edward II’s reign.
    So were they all staunch supporters of the King… well not exactly. In the period 1322 to 1330 seven English Earls lost their lives as a result of rebellion or conspiracy against the King. The last of the Earls to die was the powerful Marcher lord Roger Mortimer from whom Edward III managed finally to take power back in October 1330.

    Scotland of course is well known in this period for the Scottish wars of Independence. It started this period with King Alexander III but he was too anxious to get back to his young wife and died suddenly after falling from his horse. This led to the disputes between the Balliol’s, The Bruce’s and the Comyn’s and of course the rise and fall of the hero William Wallace. Eventually the Bruce’s came out on top in this period although Robert was excommunicated for killing John Comyn in the church of the Friary at Dumfries. He also had 3 of his brothers executed by the English and another brother Edward was killed in Ireland after the Scots invaded.

    Anyway that's the high level background. It is currently expected to play out on a large map version of Britain.

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    Hey sounds great Makes me think about the first and still one of the best war games ever called... "Defender Of The Crown" on commodore64, for those who remember that one ages back then!
    Good luck with it!

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    Don't know the game as I never had a Commodore64 in those days... but that's going back a bit....

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    Map is progressing nicely. Example of current state is shown below showing part of the lake district area.

    The original image has been replaced and a new thread started showing map regions see link below.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139401
    Last edited by wilddog; January 05, 2008 at 03:39 AM.

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    sorry double post

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    That, sir, is a hell of a map.

    Just registering interest

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    Thanks, I'm still moving regions and places around on it and now starting to slowly add in factions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    That, sir, is a hell of a map.

    Just registering interest
    Holy crap, I'll second that!
    That map is a monster! In a good way.. can't wait to get my hands on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilddog View Post
    I've been slowly working on the symbols for this mod and although I'll probably redo a couple of them here's a screen shot of most of them.



    They are for the following factions :-
    House of Fitzgerald
    House of De Lacy
    House of De Clare
    Earl of Cornwall
    O'Neill
    House of De Valence
    Earl of Lancaster
    Royal House of Plantagenet
    House of Percy
    France
    House of de Warenne
    Gwynedd
    House of Mortimer
    House of De Vere
    House of Fitzalen
    O'Connor
    Royal House of Canmore
    House of Comyn
    House of Bruce
    House of Balliol
    House of De Bohun
    House of Beauchamp
    House of De Burgh
    House of Bigod

    This mod is still a long way off but is slowly progressing.
    If this starts in 1258 then in theory we should have the Principality of Gwynedd, or (Royal) House of Cunedda, rather than just Gwynedd.

    Or Royal House of Gwynedd if you want to recognize the historic right of the Welsh Kings who only got themselves downgraded to Princes during the relatively recent reign of Henry II (Owain Gwynedd et al.)

    As far as I recall, Llewelyn ab Iorwerth was of the House of Cunedda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DefenderOfTheCrown View Post
    about the first and still one of the best war games ever called... "Defender Of The Crown" on commodore64, for those who remember that one ages back then!
    ohh sweeeet memorys

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    OK not a major thing for most but this was a bit of a bugbear for me. I finally cracked that black rectangle issue that keep appearing (see mountains by dead sea in main campaign). Anyway I can now safely say that this map will not have any of those.

    Here's a shot of part of the map I showed above but this time after the offending TGA had been corrected. I circled the 2 places in the original map although there was also a third one in far left bottom corner of the previous screen shot. My map had quite a few of these previously so finally removing the cause is great


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    That's a first class map you got there Wilddog :wink:

    The coastline of the Comyn lands (the long coastline) looks amazing. It's done with the darker/lighter blue values, I presume ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by WImPyTjeH
    That's a first class map you got there Wilddog

    The coastline of the Comyn lands (the long coastline) looks amazing. It's done with the darker/lighter blue values, I presume ?
    Thanks for the compliment. Yes its done using mixtures of heights and sea colours. The trickier bit was doing the lochs and I was having some fun with the English chalk cliffs and normal stone cliffs (I only put a few in so far).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefenderOfTheCrown View Post
    Hey sounds great Makes me think about the first and still one of the best war games ever called... "Defender Of The Crown" on commodore64, for those who remember that one ages back then!
    Good luck with it!
    Ahhh those were the days. When games were games Rrrraaaarrrhhh!!

    They did a fairly good remake I have on the Xbox (think there was a PC version too) Called Robin Hood: Defender of the Crown and I think Cinemaware did their own remake not so long ago which was supposedly just a re-hash of their original game.

    : Wilddog. Looks a good mod this. Loving the map!
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    Looks like a fantastic map mate, really impressive, and the setting should make for some interesting game play.

    Just as a suggestion, the best way to get this off the ground as such, would be to release a cut down version as such - using just major factions for now, then just having those of minor factions as rebels, then consider a alpha/beta version to draw in some attention.

    Since unit creation is pretty much impossible right now, it'd make sense just to use vanilla units, and to get the whole campaign map balanced out - and with a version out on the net, it'll make finding and ironing out the balance issues a whole lot quicker.
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    Stalins Ghost
    Thanks for the advice. I've been a little tied up with work, playing M2TW, distractions on research and just fiddling around and trying a few things out. (spent ages last weekend just trying to decide basic size of one of the faction shield designs).

    Expect to put a bit more time into it over the next few weeks but was also sort of hoping the second patch might come out so that it reduced the amount of times I might need to change things.

    I certainly only plan to use vanilla units first but I'm not rushing to get something out that fast.

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    Just wanted to show my interest, I'll defenitly download this one...
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    Any idea about when it'll be ready? Or is it ages away yet?

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    This mod looks pretty good, I hope that you are successful with it, I will certainly download it

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    SonOfCrusader76 - Sorry but its a long way off yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilddog View Post
    SonOfCrusader76 - Sorry but its a long way off yet.
    Oh well. Good luck with it anyway, I hope it doesn't fall by the wayside.

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