Martin Schultz (Germany-SPD-Former President of the European Parliament) wants the United States of Europe by 2025

[fkizz]

The ironic thing is that these people who present themselves as moderates are not moderate by any means. None of their positions are. Abolishing the country isn't moderation. Which is why I insist that their position should be presented as toxic as it is. The we get calls for making political dialogue less toxic. How can you do it when one side is calling for the abolition of the nation and subversion of constitutional order? them. They are traitors and as such should be called.

Just suggest them being infiltrators. Raises all kinds of red flags without sounding too dramatic.

[Basil II the B.S]

Isn't it basically the same?

[JP226]

If we’re being honest with ourselves, with the collapse of the USSR, Germany should’ve ceased being a nationstate and instead shattered into a serious of city states and protectorates. Now the Euros have a economic nightmare/ juggernaut on their hands that will overtake them politically and eventually develop a military just as nasty as what they’ve tranditionally had. Germany is the ultimate threat to world peace.

[Prodromos]

I hvae always wanted to ask whether the German nation is a thing. In my historical video games, "Germany", is Bavaria, Cologne, Brandenburg, Saxony and dozens of other independent nations. I remember reading when Trump's grandfather was being deported to America, he wrote a letter to the prince of Bavaria asking to be allowed to stay. I think it was part of Germany at the time. Maybe Bavaria had an independent immigration policy?

I wonder how much Germans feel Germany is a single nation, rather than a federation of distinct nations. Maybe what these EU federalists want is to turn Europe into Germany. I always say that the EU is just the newest iteration of the HRE.

[fkizz]

Isn't it basically the same?

Infiltrators has a more persuasive tone than traitors.. the first word raises curiosity, while the second gives a dramatic charge. Given it's politics, curiosity is the more exotic option.

[hellheaven1987]

I always say that the EU is just the newest iteration of the HRE.

Yet you also forget HRE was born largely due to the necessary for an united organization to combat foreign pressure and solve internal difference.

[Katsumoto]

Stay on topic please.