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    The Washington Post says that a woman approached the newspaper and falsely claimed that Republican Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore impregnated her when she was a teenager — seemingly as part of an undercover operation with a conservative activist.

    The woman told the Post in a series of interviews that she had a sexual relationship with Moore in 1992, became pregnant and had an abortion at Moore's urging when she was 15.

    Post reporters questioned the woman about inconsistencies in her story and found a GoFundMe.com campaign under her name that said the person “had accepted a job to work in the conservative media movement to combat the lies and deceipt [sic] of the liberal MSM.”

    The woman also asked reporters if her story would cause Moore to lose the special election.

    She repeatedly denied to the Post that she was working with any groups targeting the media.

    Post reporters saw the woman entering the New York offices of Project Veritas, a conservative group that uses undercover operations to target the media and left-leaning organizations. Her car was reportedly in the parking lot of the offices for more than an hour.

    Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe declined to talk to the Post about the claims.

    “I am not doing an interview right now, so I’m not going to say a word,” O’Keefe told the Post.

    Shortly after the Post's story was posted, however, Project Veritas sent out a fundraising email to supporters with the subject line "Our cover is blown!"
    “Following months of undercover work within The Washington Post, our investigative journalist within the publication h
    ad their cover blown,” O’Keefe wrote in the email.
    “This is how undercover work goes. This isn’t the first time that has happened, and it won’t be the last time.”

    A spokesman for Moore’s campaign did not immediately respond to the Post's request for comment.

    Washington Post executive editor Marty Baron said the newspaper published the off-the-record conversations with the woman because it was "the essence of a scheme to deceive and embarrass us."

    "Because of our customary journalistic rigor, we weren’t fooled, and we can’t honor an ‘off-the-record’ agreement that was solicited in maliciously bad faith," he said.
    The Post's revelation comes after the newspaper first reported allegations of sexual misconduct by Moore earlier this month, including that he had sexual contact with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32.

    Since the report, other women have come forward to accuse the Alabama Senate candidate of pursuing relationships with them when they were teenagers, and one has accused Moore of sexually assaulting her when she was 16.
    http://thehill.com/media/362026-wapo...re-allegations

    Original story by WP here:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.482a96380dac

    Trump and his supporters have appropriated the term 'fake news' to disparage anything they don't agree with, but here we have an actual conservative group pushing fake news to then discredit a 'liberal' news organisation. Regardless of your political views this is a worrying development, clearly intended to damage trust in the media.
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    Default Re: Washington Post accuses conservative activists of pushing fake Moore allegations

    I read it yesterday, I was amazed to learn that there are companies like Project Veritas dedicated to such amoral/dirty activities.

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    I think he took down Acorn.

    O'Keefe creates fake news, in a way he's a fixer for Republican causes, and gets funding from Trump's campaign, amongst other Conservative organizations.
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    That PV was uncovered shows that WaPost does have some journalistic integrity. Does this make PV look bad? Well unless you don’t think highly of going undercover for a story, then no



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    Quote Originally Posted by Derpy Hooves View Post
    That PV was uncovered shows that WaPost does have some journalistic integrity. Does this make PV look bad? Well unless you don’t think highly of going undercover for a story, then no
    Err, yes it does. Did you read the articles? PV didn't go undercover to expose a story, they went undercover to fabricate one.
    When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man's moral constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it? Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party? Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?
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    Washington is a swamp and many in the media are hounding Trump, but this goes to show his faction are the slimiest toads of all: no whataboutism here, just slimy corrupt toads. Between Bannon and O'Keefe they have a full on machine going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telamon View Post
    Err, yes it does. Did you read the articles? PV didn't go undercover to expose a story, they went undercover to fabricate one.
    Part of this is a problem for where you sit. Is it going underground to expose the lack of fact checking in the media or is it going underground to fabricate a story? Does the WaPo publish a false story fact because it suits their agenda or do they publish a false fact because they simply missed the clue that it was false? I think there is a great deal of ignoring the verifiable if it is convenient and attacking even the truth by bending it also if it is convenient.

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    Yeah this isnt fabricating a story so much as this is baiting for a story: the distinction being the story PV intended to make would have been WaPo's reaction to the falsehood, which had they acted as PV expected would have been a legitimate controversy over lack of fact checking.

    Just turns out Wapo wasnt quite as incompetent as thier bait.
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    That backfired spectacularly.

    But the Washington Post can afford to extensively fact and back check their stories and sources, something that O'Keefe may have not accounted for.
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    So the plan was to create fake news in order to call out the WP for fake news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggsimmonds View Post
    So the plan was to create fake news in order to call out the WP for fake news?
    Yes.
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    As the print / evolving internet media organizations such as the WaPo and the NYT cut back, expect to see more of this faux fact checking stories that go spectacularly in the other direction. And what about the small local stuff that relies on aggregation and not a single fact check verification before publishing? Or the very small .org stuff with an agenda that puts out a handful of stories a month? Some of these organizations probably nee to band together for fact checking and other basic journalistic tools that need a large organization. Even the right wing radio needs to do a better (probably needs to do a much better) job of fact checking. Like with the Sen. Warren story and fact checking -- spectacular but lacking. I hope for better, but....

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    The Russian bots will determine that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    The Russian bots will determine that.
    How? Can you give a rough scetch of how that is supposed to happen? You probably are aware of, that blaming an alledged "Russian influence" for happenings within Western Democracies is a great way to achieve what we Germans call "schönsaufen". Which literally means to drink so much so as to percieve "everything" as "beautiful".

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    What this story tells us is that the Washington Post is a quality newspaper with a journalistic integrity far beyond what the alt-right movement claims .

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    Remember the Chinese fifty cent army?

    They were never very effective, beyond spam bombing websites to oblivion that had posts critical of the Chinese Politburo and policy, because the writers lacked an inherent command of the English language and grammar.

    Whereas the Russian bots were directed by elements familiar with American and Western culture, and easily identified controversial topics and vulnerable (credulous) demographics, probably with a little localized help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    Remember the Chinese fifty cent army?

    They were never very effective, beyond spam bombing websites to oblivion that had posts critical of the Chinese Politburo and policy, because the writers lacked an inherent command of the English language and grammar.

    Whereas the Russian bots were directed by elements familiar with American and Western culture, and easily identified controversial topics and vulnerable (credulous) demographics, probably with a little localized help.
    That's quite paranoid. I guess you are aware of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swabian View Post
    That's quite paranoid. I guess you are aware of that.
    Was this post written before or after your read this post supporting everything he just said even including an example of pro Russian narrative posted in perfect English using a purchased IP used by a spam network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telamon View Post
    Err, yes it does. Did you read the articles? PV didn't go undercover to expose a story, they went undercover to fabricate one.
    Yes, fabricate in an attempt to prove their hypothesis that WaPo doesn’t vet their stories. Their hypothesis was proven wrong. End of story



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